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Can this equation be simplified further?
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I'm trying to simplify the following equation:
$y = dfrac{1-2exp(-x)cos(x)+exp(-2x)}{1+2exp(-x)sin(x)-exp(-2x)}$
I suspect that a simpler form using complex exponents exists, but I can't find it.
For context, this equation describes the effective conductivity due to the skin effect of a flat conductor as a function of its thickness. I just removed some scale factors for simplicity. The underlying differential equation gives rise to expressions of the form $exp(pm(1+i)x)$, which is where the $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$ came from.
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I'm trying to simplify the following equation:
$y = dfrac{1-2exp(-x)cos(x)+exp(-2x)}{1+2exp(-x)sin(x)-exp(-2x)}$
I suspect that a simpler form using complex exponents exists, but I can't find it.
For context, this equation describes the effective conductivity due to the skin effect of a flat conductor as a function of its thickness. I just removed some scale factors for simplicity. The underlying differential equation gives rise to expressions of the form $exp(pm(1+i)x)$, which is where the $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$ came from.
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I'm trying to simplify the following equation:
$y = dfrac{1-2exp(-x)cos(x)+exp(-2x)}{1+2exp(-x)sin(x)-exp(-2x)}$
I suspect that a simpler form using complex exponents exists, but I can't find it.
For context, this equation describes the effective conductivity due to the skin effect of a flat conductor as a function of its thickness. I just removed some scale factors for simplicity. The underlying differential equation gives rise to expressions of the form $exp(pm(1+i)x)$, which is where the $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$ came from.
trigonometry complex-numbers
asked 2 hours ago
Maarten BaertMaarten Baert
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I'm trying to simplify the following equation:
$y = dfrac{1-2exp(-x)cos(x)+exp(-2x)}{1+2exp(-x)sin(x)-exp(-2x)}$
I suspect that a simpler form using complex exponents exists, but I can't find it.
For context, this equation describes the effective conductivity due to the skin effect of a flat conductor as a function of its thickness. I just removed some scale factors for simplicity. The underlying differential equation gives rise to expressions of the form $exp(pm(1+i)x)$, which is where the $sin(x)$ and $cos(x)$ came from.
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$$y=frac{1-2e^{-x}cos(x)+e^{-2x}}{1+2e^{-x}sin(x)-e^{-2x}}cdotfrac{e^x}{e^x}=frac{e^x-2cos(x)+e^{-x}}{e^x+2sin(x)-e^{-x}}cdotfrac{frac{1}{2}}{frac{1}{2}}$$ $$=frac{frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{2}-cos(x)}{frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}+sin(x)}=frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)}$$
answered 1 hour ago
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Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
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59 mins ago
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If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
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55 mins ago
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After coreyman317's answer and your comment about large values of $x$, you could notice that for $x >24$
$$frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)} sim coth(x)$$ for an error $ < 10^{-10}$
answered 39 mins ago
Claude LeiboviciClaude Leibovici
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$$y=frac{1-2e^{-x}cos(x)+e^{-2x}}{1+2e^{-x}sin(x)-e^{-2x}}cdotfrac{e^x}{e^x}=frac{e^x-2cos(x)+e^{-x}}{e^x+2sin(x)-e^{-x}}cdotfrac{frac{1}{2}}{frac{1}{2}}$$ $$=frac{frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{2}-cos(x)}{frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}+sin(x)}=frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)}$$
answered 1 hour ago
coreyman317coreyman317
1,059420
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Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
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– Maarten Baert
59 mins ago
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If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
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– coreyman317
55 mins ago
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$$y=frac{1-2e^{-x}cos(x)+e^{-2x}}{1+2e^{-x}sin(x)-e^{-2x}}cdotfrac{e^x}{e^x}=frac{e^x-2cos(x)+e^{-x}}{e^x+2sin(x)-e^{-x}}cdotfrac{frac{1}{2}}{frac{1}{2}}$$ $$=frac{frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{2}-cos(x)}{frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}+sin(x)}=frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)}$$
answered 1 hour ago
coreyman317coreyman317
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Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
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– Maarten Baert
59 mins ago
1
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If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
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– coreyman317
55 mins ago
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$$y=frac{1-2e^{-x}cos(x)+e^{-2x}}{1+2e^{-x}sin(x)-e^{-2x}}cdotfrac{e^x}{e^x}=frac{e^x-2cos(x)+e^{-x}}{e^x+2sin(x)-e^{-x}}cdotfrac{frac{1}{2}}{frac{1}{2}}$$ $$=frac{frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{2}-cos(x)}{frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}+sin(x)}=frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)}$$
answered 1 hour ago
coreyman317coreyman317
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$$y=frac{1-2e^{-x}cos(x)+e^{-2x}}{1+2e^{-x}sin(x)-e^{-2x}}cdotfrac{e^x}{e^x}=frac{e^x-2cos(x)+e^{-x}}{e^x+2sin(x)-e^{-x}}cdotfrac{frac{1}{2}}{frac{1}{2}}$$ $$=frac{frac{e^x+e^{-x}}{2}-cos(x)}{frac{e^x-e^{-x}}{2}+sin(x)}=frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)}$$
answered 1 hour ago
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answered 1 hour ago
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answered 1 hour ago
coreyman317coreyman317
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answered 1 hour ago
coreyman317coreyman317
1,059420
1,059420
$begingroup$
Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
$endgroup$
– Maarten Baert
59 mins ago
1
$begingroup$
If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
$endgroup$
– coreyman317
55 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
$endgroup$
– Maarten Baert
59 mins ago
1
$begingroup$
If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
$endgroup$
– coreyman317
55 mins ago
$begingroup$
Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
$endgroup$
– Maarten Baert
59 mins ago
$begingroup$
Nice! Would it be possible to rewrite this using $tan$ or $tanh$? Unfortunately $sinh(x)$ and $cosh(x)$ cause numerical issues (overflow) for large values of $x$.
$endgroup$
– Maarten Baert
59 mins ago
1
1
$begingroup$
If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
$endgroup$
– coreyman317
55 mins ago
$begingroup$
If you want you can divide the top and bottom by $cosh(x)$ to get a $tanh(x)$ but this makes both the numerator and denominator more complicated.
$endgroup$
– coreyman317
55 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
After coreyman317's answer and your comment about large values of $x$, you could notice that for $x >24$
$$frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)} sim coth(x)$$ for an error $ < 10^{-10}$
answered 39 mins ago
Claude LeiboviciClaude Leibovici
125k1158135
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$begingroup$
After coreyman317's answer and your comment about large values of $x$, you could notice that for $x >24$
$$frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)} sim coth(x)$$ for an error $ < 10^{-10}$
answered 39 mins ago
Claude LeiboviciClaude Leibovici
125k1158135
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$begingroup$
After coreyman317's answer and your comment about large values of $x$, you could notice that for $x >24$
$$frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)} sim coth(x)$$ for an error $ < 10^{-10}$
answered 39 mins ago
Claude LeiboviciClaude Leibovici
125k1158135
$endgroup$
After coreyman317's answer and your comment about large values of $x$, you could notice that for $x >24$
$$frac{cosh(x)-cos(x)}{sinh(x)+sin(x)} sim coth(x)$$ for an error $ < 10^{-10}$
answered 39 mins ago
Claude LeiboviciClaude Leibovici
125k1158135
answered 39 mins ago
Claude LeiboviciClaude Leibovici
125k1158135
answered 39 mins ago
Claude LeiboviciClaude Leibovici
125k1158135
answered 39 mins ago
Claude LeiboviciClaude Leibovici
125k1158135
125k1158135
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