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Double integral involving the normal CDF

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Double integral involving the normal CDF


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I need to compute (or best approximate?) the following integral



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha u)^{-1}(1 + v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) text{d}u text{d}v,qquad alpha, gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where $Phi(cdot)$ is the standard normal cumulative distribution function. What strategy would you advise for this?



I don't know if this is helpful but I can also reformulate my problem (up to multiplicative constants) as computing the following expectation:



$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right},qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where
$$X sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,1), qquad Y sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,alpha^{-1/2}), quad alpha > 0.$$



EDIT: I made a mistake in the first integral, it should be:



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha x^2)^{-1}(1 + y^2)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + x^2y^2}}right) text{d}x text{d}y,qquad alpha, gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
which now corresponds to the above expectation.










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    I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
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    – whuber
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    Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
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    – user79097
    51 mins ago
















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I need to compute (or best approximate?) the following integral



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha u)^{-1}(1 + v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) text{d}u text{d}v,qquad alpha, gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where $Phi(cdot)$ is the standard normal cumulative distribution function. What strategy would you advise for this?



I don't know if this is helpful but I can also reformulate my problem (up to multiplicative constants) as computing the following expectation:



$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right},qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where
$$X sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,1), qquad Y sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,alpha^{-1/2}), quad alpha > 0.$$



EDIT: I made a mistake in the first integral, it should be:



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha x^2)^{-1}(1 + y^2)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + x^2y^2}}right) text{d}x text{d}y,qquad alpha, gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
which now corresponds to the above expectation.










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    I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
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    – whuber
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    51 mins ago














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$begingroup$


I need to compute (or best approximate?) the following integral



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha u)^{-1}(1 + v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) text{d}u text{d}v,qquad alpha, gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where $Phi(cdot)$ is the standard normal cumulative distribution function. What strategy would you advise for this?



I don't know if this is helpful but I can also reformulate my problem (up to multiplicative constants) as computing the following expectation:



$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right},qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where
$$X sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,1), qquad Y sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,alpha^{-1/2}), quad alpha > 0.$$



EDIT: I made a mistake in the first integral, it should be:



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha x^2)^{-1}(1 + y^2)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + x^2y^2}}right) text{d}x text{d}y,qquad alpha, gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
which now corresponds to the above expectation.










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I need to compute (or best approximate?) the following integral



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha u)^{-1}(1 + v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) text{d}u text{d}v,qquad alpha, gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where $Phi(cdot)$ is the standard normal cumulative distribution function. What strategy would you advise for this?



I don't know if this is helpful but I can also reformulate my problem (up to multiplicative constants) as computing the following expectation:



$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right},qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where
$$X sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,1), qquad Y sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,alpha^{-1/2}), quad alpha > 0.$$



EDIT: I made a mistake in the first integral, it should be:



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha x^2)^{-1}(1 + y^2)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + x^2y^2}}right) text{d}x text{d}y,qquad alpha, gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
which now corresponds to the above expectation.







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    I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
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    – whuber
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  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
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    – user79097
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  • $begingroup$
    I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
    $endgroup$
    – whuber
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
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I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
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– whuber
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
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– whuber
1 hour ago












$begingroup$
Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
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– user79097
51 mins ago




$begingroup$
Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
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Under the conditions that $alpha, gamma, u,$ and $v$ are all positive,



$$beta/sqrt{gamma + uv} ge min(beta/sqrt{gamma}, 0) = delta gt -infty.$$



Therefore, because $Phi$ is a CDF for a distribution supported on $(-infty,infty),$ $$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right)ge Phi(delta) = epsilon gt 0.$$



Consequently



$$eqalign{
&int_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&ge
epsilonint_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&= lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty}epsilonint_0^M (1+alpha u)^{-1}mathrm{d}uint_0^N (1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}v \
&=frac{epsilon}{alpha} lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty} log(1 + Malpha)log(1 + N),
}$$



which diverges to $+infty.$






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    Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
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If approximation is OK, you could simulate the expected value through an average. A law of large numbers implies that the average converges to the expected value - provided the latter exists, which is however not obvious to me. I did simulate a few runs, though, and got very similar results each time, which is not indicative of an issue with heavy tails.



library(LaplacesDemon)

draws <- 1e6
alpha <- 3
gamma <- 1
beta <- 1
x <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1)
y <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1/sqrt(alpha))

mean(pnorm(beta/sqrt(gamma+x^2*y^2)))





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    Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
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    3 hours ago










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    OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
    $endgroup$
    – Christoph Hanck
    3 hours ago










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    Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
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Under the conditions that $alpha, gamma, u,$ and $v$ are all positive,



$$beta/sqrt{gamma + uv} ge min(beta/sqrt{gamma}, 0) = delta gt -infty.$$



Therefore, because $Phi$ is a CDF for a distribution supported on $(-infty,infty),$ $$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right)ge Phi(delta) = epsilon gt 0.$$



Consequently



$$eqalign{
&int_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&ge
epsilonint_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&= lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty}epsilonint_0^M (1+alpha u)^{-1}mathrm{d}uint_0^N (1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}v \
&=frac{epsilon}{alpha} lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty} log(1 + Malpha)log(1 + N),
}$$



which diverges to $+infty.$






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    Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
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    – user79097
    49 mins ago
















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$begingroup$

Under the conditions that $alpha, gamma, u,$ and $v$ are all positive,



$$beta/sqrt{gamma + uv} ge min(beta/sqrt{gamma}, 0) = delta gt -infty.$$



Therefore, because $Phi$ is a CDF for a distribution supported on $(-infty,infty),$ $$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right)ge Phi(delta) = epsilon gt 0.$$



Consequently



$$eqalign{
&int_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&ge
epsilonint_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&= lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty}epsilonint_0^M (1+alpha u)^{-1}mathrm{d}uint_0^N (1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}v \
&=frac{epsilon}{alpha} lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty} log(1 + Malpha)log(1 + N),
}$$



which diverges to $+infty.$






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    Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    49 mins ago














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$begingroup$

Under the conditions that $alpha, gamma, u,$ and $v$ are all positive,



$$beta/sqrt{gamma + uv} ge min(beta/sqrt{gamma}, 0) = delta gt -infty.$$



Therefore, because $Phi$ is a CDF for a distribution supported on $(-infty,infty),$ $$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right)ge Phi(delta) = epsilon gt 0.$$



Consequently



$$eqalign{
&int_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&ge
epsilonint_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&= lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty}epsilonint_0^M (1+alpha u)^{-1}mathrm{d}uint_0^N (1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}v \
&=frac{epsilon}{alpha} lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty} log(1 + Malpha)log(1 + N),
}$$



which diverges to $+infty.$






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Under the conditions that $alpha, gamma, u,$ and $v$ are all positive,



$$beta/sqrt{gamma + uv} ge min(beta/sqrt{gamma}, 0) = delta gt -infty.$$



Therefore, because $Phi$ is a CDF for a distribution supported on $(-infty,infty),$ $$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right)ge Phi(delta) = epsilon gt 0.$$



Consequently



$$eqalign{
&int_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&ge
epsilonint_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&= lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty}epsilonint_0^M (1+alpha u)^{-1}mathrm{d}uint_0^N (1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}v \
&=frac{epsilon}{alpha} lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty} log(1 + Malpha)log(1 + N),
}$$



which diverges to $+infty.$







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  • $begingroup$
    Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    49 mins ago


















  • $begingroup$
    Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    49 mins ago
















$begingroup$
Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
$endgroup$
– user79097
49 mins ago




$begingroup$
Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
$endgroup$
– user79097
49 mins ago













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$begingroup$

If approximation is OK, you could simulate the expected value through an average. A law of large numbers implies that the average converges to the expected value - provided the latter exists, which is however not obvious to me. I did simulate a few runs, though, and got very similar results each time, which is not indicative of an issue with heavy tails.



library(LaplacesDemon)

draws <- 1e6
alpha <- 3
gamma <- 1
beta <- 1
x <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1)
y <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1/sqrt(alpha))

mean(pnorm(beta/sqrt(gamma+x^2*y^2)))





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  • $begingroup$
    Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
    $endgroup$
    – Christoph Hanck
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    3 hours ago
















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$begingroup$

If approximation is OK, you could simulate the expected value through an average. A law of large numbers implies that the average converges to the expected value - provided the latter exists, which is however not obvious to me. I did simulate a few runs, though, and got very similar results each time, which is not indicative of an issue with heavy tails.



library(LaplacesDemon)

draws <- 1e6
alpha <- 3
gamma <- 1
beta <- 1
x <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1)
y <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1/sqrt(alpha))

mean(pnorm(beta/sqrt(gamma+x^2*y^2)))





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  • $begingroup$
    Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
    $endgroup$
    – Christoph Hanck
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    3 hours ago














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$begingroup$

If approximation is OK, you could simulate the expected value through an average. A law of large numbers implies that the average converges to the expected value - provided the latter exists, which is however not obvious to me. I did simulate a few runs, though, and got very similar results each time, which is not indicative of an issue with heavy tails.



library(LaplacesDemon)

draws <- 1e6
alpha <- 3
gamma <- 1
beta <- 1
x <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1)
y <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1/sqrt(alpha))

mean(pnorm(beta/sqrt(gamma+x^2*y^2)))





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If approximation is OK, you could simulate the expected value through an average. A law of large numbers implies that the average converges to the expected value - provided the latter exists, which is however not obvious to me. I did simulate a few runs, though, and got very similar results each time, which is not indicative of an issue with heavy tails.



library(LaplacesDemon)

draws <- 1e6
alpha <- 3
gamma <- 1
beta <- 1
x <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1)
y <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1/sqrt(alpha))

mean(pnorm(beta/sqrt(gamma+x^2*y^2)))






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  • $begingroup$
    Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
    $endgroup$
    – Christoph Hanck
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    3 hours ago


















  • $begingroup$
    Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
    $endgroup$
    – Christoph Hanck
    3 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    3 hours ago
















$begingroup$
Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
$endgroup$
– user79097
3 hours ago




$begingroup$
Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
$endgroup$
– user79097
3 hours ago












$begingroup$
OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
$endgroup$
– Christoph Hanck
3 hours ago




$begingroup$
OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
$endgroup$
– Christoph Hanck
3 hours ago












$begingroup$
Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
$endgroup$
– user79097
3 hours ago




$begingroup$
Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
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– user79097
3 hours ago


















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