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Iron deposits mined from under the city
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I would like to have a city sitting on top of a large iron deposit that will be mined by the inhabitants of the city. Is that feasible for them? Won't the city collapse under the mines? Are there some other issues I should be aware of?
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I would like to have a city sitting on top of a large iron deposit that will be mined by the inhabitants of the city. Is that feasible for them? Won't the city collapse under the mines? Are there some other issues I should be aware of?
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Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
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– gruszczy
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presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
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– Giu Piete
3 hours ago
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That's a cool idea - but the danger is actually both above and below. It's the iron itself that makes the city safe.
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I would like to have a city sitting on top of a large iron deposit that will be mined by the inhabitants of the city. Is that feasible for them? Won't the city collapse under the mines? Are there some other issues I should be aware of?
mines city
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I would like to have a city sitting on top of a large iron deposit that will be mined by the inhabitants of the city. Is that feasible for them? Won't the city collapse under the mines? Are there some other issues I should be aware of?
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Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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– AlexP
5 hours ago
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Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
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– gruszczy
4 hours ago
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presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
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– Giu Piete
3 hours ago
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That's a cool idea - but the danger is actually both above and below. It's the iron itself that makes the city safe.
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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– AlexP
5 hours ago
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Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
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– gruszczy
4 hours ago
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presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
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– Giu Piete
3 hours ago
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That's a cool idea - but the danger is actually both above and below. It's the iron itself that makes the city safe.
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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– AlexP
5 hours ago
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Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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– AlexP
5 hours ago
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Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
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– gruszczy
4 hours ago
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Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
4 hours ago
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presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
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– Giu Piete
3 hours ago
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presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
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– Giu Piete
3 hours ago
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That's a cool idea - but the danger is actually both above and below. It's the iron itself that makes the city safe.
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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That's a cool idea - but the danger is actually both above and below. It's the iron itself that makes the city safe.
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There are cities with extensive mining operations below them. The most famous is probably Paris.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2011/02/paris-catacombs/
Under Paris there are spaces of all kinds: canals and reservoirs,
crypts and bank vaults, wine cellars transformed into nightclubs and
galleries. Most surprising of all are the carrières—the old limestone
quarries that fan out in a deep and intricate web under many
neighborhoods, mostly in the southern part of the metropolis... Into
the 19th century those caverns and tunnels were mined for building
stone.
You can tour the Paris catacombs full of bones, but the tunnels were there before they put the bones there. And there are apparently many more tunnels than are occupied by bones. Kansas City also has extensive limestone quarries beneath it, although of course more recent (and less chaotic) than the ones in Paris.
I found reference to the Kiruna Mine which is a mine underneath a city of 24,000. Wikipedia states that subsidence related to the mine has affected some parts of the city.
answered 3 hours ago
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Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
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3 hours ago
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Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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@gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
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– user2259716
3 hours ago
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Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
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3 hours ago
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If iron is that valuable, sure.
Detroit, Michigan is built on top of some pretty extensive salt mines.
The first image shows the vertical extent of the salt mines:
The second picture shows the horizontal extent of the mines:
All that you really need for a city to live on top of the mine is to have the mine deep enough and/or have enough structure left around the mine so it doesn't collapse (you want that anyway).
answered 3 hours ago
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Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
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– Jon Custer
2 hours ago
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There are cities with extensive mining operations below them. The most famous is probably Paris.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2011/02/paris-catacombs/
Under Paris there are spaces of all kinds: canals and reservoirs,
crypts and bank vaults, wine cellars transformed into nightclubs and
galleries. Most surprising of all are the carrières—the old limestone
quarries that fan out in a deep and intricate web under many
neighborhoods, mostly in the southern part of the metropolis... Into
the 19th century those caverns and tunnels were mined for building
stone.
You can tour the Paris catacombs full of bones, but the tunnels were there before they put the bones there. And there are apparently many more tunnels than are occupied by bones. Kansas City also has extensive limestone quarries beneath it, although of course more recent (and less chaotic) than the ones in Paris.
I found reference to the Kiruna Mine which is a mine underneath a city of 24,000. Wikipedia states that subsidence related to the mine has affected some parts of the city.
answered 3 hours ago
WillkWillk
111k26207462
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Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
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– user2259716
3 hours ago
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Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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@gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
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– user2259716
3 hours ago
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Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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There are cities with extensive mining operations below them. The most famous is probably Paris.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2011/02/paris-catacombs/
Under Paris there are spaces of all kinds: canals and reservoirs,
crypts and bank vaults, wine cellars transformed into nightclubs and
galleries. Most surprising of all are the carrières—the old limestone
quarries that fan out in a deep and intricate web under many
neighborhoods, mostly in the southern part of the metropolis... Into
the 19th century those caverns and tunnels were mined for building
stone.
You can tour the Paris catacombs full of bones, but the tunnels were there before they put the bones there. And there are apparently many more tunnels than are occupied by bones. Kansas City also has extensive limestone quarries beneath it, although of course more recent (and less chaotic) than the ones in Paris.
I found reference to the Kiruna Mine which is a mine underneath a city of 24,000. Wikipedia states that subsidence related to the mine has affected some parts of the city.
answered 3 hours ago
WillkWillk
111k26207462
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Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
$endgroup$
– user2259716
3 hours ago
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Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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@gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
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– user2259716
3 hours ago
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Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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There are cities with extensive mining operations below them. The most famous is probably Paris.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2011/02/paris-catacombs/
Under Paris there are spaces of all kinds: canals and reservoirs,
crypts and bank vaults, wine cellars transformed into nightclubs and
galleries. Most surprising of all are the carrières—the old limestone
quarries that fan out in a deep and intricate web under many
neighborhoods, mostly in the southern part of the metropolis... Into
the 19th century those caverns and tunnels were mined for building
stone.
You can tour the Paris catacombs full of bones, but the tunnels were there before they put the bones there. And there are apparently many more tunnels than are occupied by bones. Kansas City also has extensive limestone quarries beneath it, although of course more recent (and less chaotic) than the ones in Paris.
I found reference to the Kiruna Mine which is a mine underneath a city of 24,000. Wikipedia states that subsidence related to the mine has affected some parts of the city.
answered 3 hours ago
WillkWillk
111k26207462
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There are cities with extensive mining operations below them. The most famous is probably Paris.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2011/02/paris-catacombs/
Under Paris there are spaces of all kinds: canals and reservoirs,
crypts and bank vaults, wine cellars transformed into nightclubs and
galleries. Most surprising of all are the carrières—the old limestone
quarries that fan out in a deep and intricate web under many
neighborhoods, mostly in the southern part of the metropolis... Into
the 19th century those caverns and tunnels were mined for building
stone.
You can tour the Paris catacombs full of bones, but the tunnels were there before they put the bones there. And there are apparently many more tunnels than are occupied by bones. Kansas City also has extensive limestone quarries beneath it, although of course more recent (and less chaotic) than the ones in Paris.
I found reference to the Kiruna Mine which is a mine underneath a city of 24,000. Wikipedia states that subsidence related to the mine has affected some parts of the city.
answered 3 hours ago
WillkWillk
111k26207462
answered 3 hours ago
WillkWillk
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answered 3 hours ago
WillkWillk
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answered 3 hours ago
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Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
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– user2259716
3 hours ago
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Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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@gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
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– user2259716
3 hours ago
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Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
$endgroup$
– user2259716
3 hours ago
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Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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@gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
$endgroup$
– user2259716
3 hours ago
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Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
$endgroup$
– user2259716
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Pretty sure one of the oldest salt mines has a city on top of it. Somewhere in Hungary or Poland.
$endgroup$
– user2259716
3 hours ago
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Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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Wieliczka, should have thought about it! Thanks.
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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@gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
$endgroup$
– user2259716
3 hours ago
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@gruszczy It does raise the question of why not just live in the mine?
$endgroup$
– user2259716
3 hours ago
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Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Good point - I think it makes sense for people to do live there! They would need to be aware though that iron is keeping them safe though.
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
Underground quarries sound very cool too, will be useful!
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
add a comment |
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If iron is that valuable, sure.
Detroit, Michigan is built on top of some pretty extensive salt mines.
The first image shows the vertical extent of the salt mines:
The second picture shows the horizontal extent of the mines:
All that you really need for a city to live on top of the mine is to have the mine deep enough and/or have enough structure left around the mine so it doesn't collapse (you want that anyway).
answered 3 hours ago
ShadoCatShadoCat
15.1k2051
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Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
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– Jon Custer
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If iron is that valuable, sure.
Detroit, Michigan is built on top of some pretty extensive salt mines.
The first image shows the vertical extent of the salt mines:
The second picture shows the horizontal extent of the mines:
All that you really need for a city to live on top of the mine is to have the mine deep enough and/or have enough structure left around the mine so it doesn't collapse (you want that anyway).
answered 3 hours ago
ShadoCatShadoCat
15.1k2051
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Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
$endgroup$
– Jon Custer
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If iron is that valuable, sure.
Detroit, Michigan is built on top of some pretty extensive salt mines.
The first image shows the vertical extent of the salt mines:
The second picture shows the horizontal extent of the mines:
All that you really need for a city to live on top of the mine is to have the mine deep enough and/or have enough structure left around the mine so it doesn't collapse (you want that anyway).
answered 3 hours ago
ShadoCatShadoCat
15.1k2051
$endgroup$
If iron is that valuable, sure.
Detroit, Michigan is built on top of some pretty extensive salt mines.
The first image shows the vertical extent of the salt mines:
The second picture shows the horizontal extent of the mines:
All that you really need for a city to live on top of the mine is to have the mine deep enough and/or have enough structure left around the mine so it doesn't collapse (you want that anyway).
answered 3 hours ago
ShadoCatShadoCat
15.1k2051
answered 3 hours ago
ShadoCatShadoCat
15.1k2051
answered 3 hours ago
ShadoCatShadoCat
15.1k2051
answered 3 hours ago
ShadoCatShadoCat
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15.1k2051
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Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
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– Jon Custer
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
$endgroup$
– gruszczy
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
$endgroup$
– Jon Custer
2 hours ago
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Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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Sweet! Thanks a lot for a great example!
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago
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And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
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– Jon Custer
2 hours ago
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And have it not be a coal mine that catches fire...
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– Jon Custer
2 hours ago
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Why on Earth would anybody do this? Iron ore deposits are not particularly rare, and iron ore is not particularly expensive; which is to say, it's dirt cheap and has always been dirt cheap. (Current price for excellent iron ore is about 90 USD per metric ton; that's 2 grams of gold for 1 ton of iron ore.) Moreover, economically viable iron ore deposits are extensive; the inhabitants would normally be extracting the ore from the mountains around the city, not from beneath the city itself. Even the question speaks about a "large" deposit of iron ore; why then go underneath the city?
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– AlexP
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Good points, thanks! The territories outside of the cities are generally unsafe, so people limit the exposure to minimum (mostly for growing food).
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– gruszczy
4 hours ago
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presumably the danger is on the surface, is there anything to stop them tunnelling out from within the safe area? depending on what the threat is from, short-term surface expeditions or breaches to create (and then partially fill in, depending on drilling technology or etc) ventilation.
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– Giu Piete
3 hours ago
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That's a cool idea - but the danger is actually both above and below. It's the iron itself that makes the city safe.
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– gruszczy
3 hours ago