When to use edef, noexpand, and expandafter? Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679:...

The test team as an enemy of development? And how can this be avoided?

What did Turing mean when saying that "machines cannot give rise to surprises" is due to a fallacy?

Any stored/leased 737s that could substitute for grounded MAXs?

Is honorific speech ever used in the first person?

3D Masyu - A Die

Is there a verb for listening stealthily?

Searching extreme points of polyhedron

Vertical ranges of Column Plots in 12

As a dual citizen, my US passport will expire one day after traveling to the US. Will this work?

How can I prevent/balance waiting and turtling as a response to cooldown mechanics

Why are two-digit numbers in Jonathan Swift's "Gulliver's Travels" (1726) written in "German style"?

An isoperimetric-type inequality inside a cube

Inverse square law not accurate for non-point masses?

Is there a spell that can create a permanent fire?

Can two people see the same photon?

How does the body cool itself in a stillsuit?

Why did Bronn offer to be Tyrion Lannister's champion in trial by combat?

Does the main washing effect of soap come from foam?

Keep at all times, the minus sign above aligned with minus sign below

What is "Lambda" in Heston's original paper on stochastic volatility models?

How to ask rejected full-time candidates to apply to teach individual courses?

.bashrc alias for a command with fixed second parameter

One-one communication

What helicopter has the most rotor blades?



When to use edef, noexpand, and expandafter?



Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)What are the differences between def, edef, gdef and xdef?How can I specify a long list of math operators?What is the difference between let and edef?How to properly smuggle (with or even without TikZ)?Does noexpand have to be a primitive?What does “expanding” mean in (La)TeX?How to understand and write LaTeX code?Re-using the title of the previous Beamer slideHow can I know the number of expandafters when appending to a csname macro?I'm a cargo cult programmer …Can one define an expandable command that removes control sequences from its argument?Why isn't everything expandable?Problem with nested noexpand and edefHow to redefine commands and environments, and make them acceptable for `write`How to use noexpand in an edef?How to expand a macro to use it inside a question in AMC?Expand a macro with parameters in tabular headDefine macro for sequence/list/tuple macrosInput command arguments from fileProtecting blocks of text and commands, not just one command, from expansion












178















I'm quite happy hacking TeX macros and cobbling together bits and pieces from different style files to suit my own ends, but I have a suspicion that my resulting hacks are not quite as elegant as they could be. In particular, with regard to when to expand and when not to expand macros.



A common occurrence for me is defining a meta-command that defines a whole slew of sub-commands. So the names of the sub-commands will contain parameters depending on the parameter passed to the meta-command, and the contents of the sub-commands will also vary a little depending on what the meta-command got. Often it won't be a direct substitution but rather a "if #1 is a do this else do that", but this and that need expansion at define time, not call time.



Here's a very simple example just involving direct substitution:



defcohtheory#1{
expandafternewcommandexpandafter{csname #1funcendcsname}[1][*]{%
MakeUppercase{#1}^{##1}}
}


Sometimes I worry that my commands are more complicated than they need be. For example, if I want to call a command with two arguments and the arguments expand before the command, here's how I've coded it:



expandafter
expandafter
expandafter
commandexpandafter
expandafter
expandafter
{expandafter
argone
expandafter
}expandafter
{argtwo}


So I'm looking for guidance on when and how to control expansion in defining macros. I strongly suspect that such cannot be given in a simple answer, so to make this a focussed question, let me phrase it thus:




Where's a good reference for writing TeX macros that includes advice on how to best deal with how to handle expansions?




Of course, if anyone can formulate some advice in short answer, I'd be only to happy to read it.



(Note: this was partially motivated by juannavarroperez's adaptation of my answer to this question where over 20 expandafters got condensed down to just 1!)










share|improve this question




















  • 26





    That’s a typical example of cargo cult programming. I think I’m allowed to make this observation without being insulting since my TeX code looks exactly like this, i.e. I have the exact same problem. :-( All this to say that I was about to ask the exact same question.

    – Konrad Rudolph
    Jul 28 '10 at 10:54






  • 4





    Andrew, just because I saw your example above: I recently discovered the LaTeX2e macro @expandtwoargscommand{<arg1>}{<arg2>} which expands the two arguments using edef before feeding it to command.

    – Martin Scharrer
    Feb 15 '11 at 17:38






  • 1





    @MartinScharrer That's neat! Unfortunately, there does not seem to be an equivalent for three (or more?) parameters. :/

    – Raphael
    Nov 30 '12 at 14:18






  • 3





    @Raphael: Just look at the definition of @expandtwoargs and define a macro for three arguments. Should not be any trouble.

    – Martin Scharrer
    Dec 1 '12 at 8:46






  • 3





    Relevant: A tutorial on expandafter

    – Werner
    Oct 16 '15 at 23:34
















178















I'm quite happy hacking TeX macros and cobbling together bits and pieces from different style files to suit my own ends, but I have a suspicion that my resulting hacks are not quite as elegant as they could be. In particular, with regard to when to expand and when not to expand macros.



A common occurrence for me is defining a meta-command that defines a whole slew of sub-commands. So the names of the sub-commands will contain parameters depending on the parameter passed to the meta-command, and the contents of the sub-commands will also vary a little depending on what the meta-command got. Often it won't be a direct substitution but rather a "if #1 is a do this else do that", but this and that need expansion at define time, not call time.



Here's a very simple example just involving direct substitution:



defcohtheory#1{
expandafternewcommandexpandafter{csname #1funcendcsname}[1][*]{%
MakeUppercase{#1}^{##1}}
}


Sometimes I worry that my commands are more complicated than they need be. For example, if I want to call a command with two arguments and the arguments expand before the command, here's how I've coded it:



expandafter
expandafter
expandafter
commandexpandafter
expandafter
expandafter
{expandafter
argone
expandafter
}expandafter
{argtwo}


So I'm looking for guidance on when and how to control expansion in defining macros. I strongly suspect that such cannot be given in a simple answer, so to make this a focussed question, let me phrase it thus:




Where's a good reference for writing TeX macros that includes advice on how to best deal with how to handle expansions?




Of course, if anyone can formulate some advice in short answer, I'd be only to happy to read it.



(Note: this was partially motivated by juannavarroperez's adaptation of my answer to this question where over 20 expandafters got condensed down to just 1!)










share|improve this question




















  • 26





    That’s a typical example of cargo cult programming. I think I’m allowed to make this observation without being insulting since my TeX code looks exactly like this, i.e. I have the exact same problem. :-( All this to say that I was about to ask the exact same question.

    – Konrad Rudolph
    Jul 28 '10 at 10:54






  • 4





    Andrew, just because I saw your example above: I recently discovered the LaTeX2e macro @expandtwoargscommand{<arg1>}{<arg2>} which expands the two arguments using edef before feeding it to command.

    – Martin Scharrer
    Feb 15 '11 at 17:38






  • 1





    @MartinScharrer That's neat! Unfortunately, there does not seem to be an equivalent for three (or more?) parameters. :/

    – Raphael
    Nov 30 '12 at 14:18






  • 3





    @Raphael: Just look at the definition of @expandtwoargs and define a macro for three arguments. Should not be any trouble.

    – Martin Scharrer
    Dec 1 '12 at 8:46






  • 3





    Relevant: A tutorial on expandafter

    – Werner
    Oct 16 '15 at 23:34














178












178








178


123






I'm quite happy hacking TeX macros and cobbling together bits and pieces from different style files to suit my own ends, but I have a suspicion that my resulting hacks are not quite as elegant as they could be. In particular, with regard to when to expand and when not to expand macros.



A common occurrence for me is defining a meta-command that defines a whole slew of sub-commands. So the names of the sub-commands will contain parameters depending on the parameter passed to the meta-command, and the contents of the sub-commands will also vary a little depending on what the meta-command got. Often it won't be a direct substitution but rather a "if #1 is a do this else do that", but this and that need expansion at define time, not call time.



Here's a very simple example just involving direct substitution:



defcohtheory#1{
expandafternewcommandexpandafter{csname #1funcendcsname}[1][*]{%
MakeUppercase{#1}^{##1}}
}


Sometimes I worry that my commands are more complicated than they need be. For example, if I want to call a command with two arguments and the arguments expand before the command, here's how I've coded it:



expandafter
expandafter
expandafter
commandexpandafter
expandafter
expandafter
{expandafter
argone
expandafter
}expandafter
{argtwo}


So I'm looking for guidance on when and how to control expansion in defining macros. I strongly suspect that such cannot be given in a simple answer, so to make this a focussed question, let me phrase it thus:




Where's a good reference for writing TeX macros that includes advice on how to best deal with how to handle expansions?




Of course, if anyone can formulate some advice in short answer, I'd be only to happy to read it.



(Note: this was partially motivated by juannavarroperez's adaptation of my answer to this question where over 20 expandafters got condensed down to just 1!)










share|improve this question
















I'm quite happy hacking TeX macros and cobbling together bits and pieces from different style files to suit my own ends, but I have a suspicion that my resulting hacks are not quite as elegant as they could be. In particular, with regard to when to expand and when not to expand macros.



A common occurrence for me is defining a meta-command that defines a whole slew of sub-commands. So the names of the sub-commands will contain parameters depending on the parameter passed to the meta-command, and the contents of the sub-commands will also vary a little depending on what the meta-command got. Often it won't be a direct substitution but rather a "if #1 is a do this else do that", but this and that need expansion at define time, not call time.



Here's a very simple example just involving direct substitution:



defcohtheory#1{
expandafternewcommandexpandafter{csname #1funcendcsname}[1][*]{%
MakeUppercase{#1}^{##1}}
}


Sometimes I worry that my commands are more complicated than they need be. For example, if I want to call a command with two arguments and the arguments expand before the command, here's how I've coded it:



expandafter
expandafter
expandafter
commandexpandafter
expandafter
expandafter
{expandafter
argone
expandafter
}expandafter
{argtwo}


So I'm looking for guidance on when and how to control expansion in defining macros. I strongly suspect that such cannot be given in a simple answer, so to make this a focussed question, let me phrase it thus:




Where's a good reference for writing TeX macros that includes advice on how to best deal with how to handle expansions?




Of course, if anyone can formulate some advice in short answer, I'd be only to happy to read it.



(Note: this was partially motivated by juannavarroperez's adaptation of my answer to this question where over 20 expandafters got condensed down to just 1!)







macros tex-core expansion






share|improve this question















share|improve this question













share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:35









Community

1




1










asked Jul 28 '10 at 10:49









Loop SpaceLoop Space

113k30310610




113k30310610








  • 26





    That’s a typical example of cargo cult programming. I think I’m allowed to make this observation without being insulting since my TeX code looks exactly like this, i.e. I have the exact same problem. :-( All this to say that I was about to ask the exact same question.

    – Konrad Rudolph
    Jul 28 '10 at 10:54






  • 4





    Andrew, just because I saw your example above: I recently discovered the LaTeX2e macro @expandtwoargscommand{<arg1>}{<arg2>} which expands the two arguments using edef before feeding it to command.

    – Martin Scharrer
    Feb 15 '11 at 17:38






  • 1





    @MartinScharrer That's neat! Unfortunately, there does not seem to be an equivalent for three (or more?) parameters. :/

    – Raphael
    Nov 30 '12 at 14:18






  • 3





    @Raphael: Just look at the definition of @expandtwoargs and define a macro for three arguments. Should not be any trouble.

    – Martin Scharrer
    Dec 1 '12 at 8:46






  • 3





    Relevant: A tutorial on expandafter

    – Werner
    Oct 16 '15 at 23:34














  • 26





    That’s a typical example of cargo cult programming. I think I’m allowed to make this observation without being insulting since my TeX code looks exactly like this, i.e. I have the exact same problem. :-( All this to say that I was about to ask the exact same question.

    – Konrad Rudolph
    Jul 28 '10 at 10:54






  • 4





    Andrew, just because I saw your example above: I recently discovered the LaTeX2e macro @expandtwoargscommand{<arg1>}{<arg2>} which expands the two arguments using edef before feeding it to command.

    – Martin Scharrer
    Feb 15 '11 at 17:38






  • 1





    @MartinScharrer That's neat! Unfortunately, there does not seem to be an equivalent for three (or more?) parameters. :/

    – Raphael
    Nov 30 '12 at 14:18






  • 3





    @Raphael: Just look at the definition of @expandtwoargs and define a macro for three arguments. Should not be any trouble.

    – Martin Scharrer
    Dec 1 '12 at 8:46






  • 3





    Relevant: A tutorial on expandafter

    – Werner
    Oct 16 '15 at 23:34








26




26





That’s a typical example of cargo cult programming. I think I’m allowed to make this observation without being insulting since my TeX code looks exactly like this, i.e. I have the exact same problem. :-( All this to say that I was about to ask the exact same question.

– Konrad Rudolph
Jul 28 '10 at 10:54





That’s a typical example of cargo cult programming. I think I’m allowed to make this observation without being insulting since my TeX code looks exactly like this, i.e. I have the exact same problem. :-( All this to say that I was about to ask the exact same question.

– Konrad Rudolph
Jul 28 '10 at 10:54




4




4





Andrew, just because I saw your example above: I recently discovered the LaTeX2e macro @expandtwoargscommand{<arg1>}{<arg2>} which expands the two arguments using edef before feeding it to command.

– Martin Scharrer
Feb 15 '11 at 17:38





Andrew, just because I saw your example above: I recently discovered the LaTeX2e macro @expandtwoargscommand{<arg1>}{<arg2>} which expands the two arguments using edef before feeding it to command.

– Martin Scharrer
Feb 15 '11 at 17:38




1




1





@MartinScharrer That's neat! Unfortunately, there does not seem to be an equivalent for three (or more?) parameters. :/

– Raphael
Nov 30 '12 at 14:18





@MartinScharrer That's neat! Unfortunately, there does not seem to be an equivalent for three (or more?) parameters. :/

– Raphael
Nov 30 '12 at 14:18




3




3





@Raphael: Just look at the definition of @expandtwoargs and define a macro for three arguments. Should not be any trouble.

– Martin Scharrer
Dec 1 '12 at 8:46





@Raphael: Just look at the definition of @expandtwoargs and define a macro for three arguments. Should not be any trouble.

– Martin Scharrer
Dec 1 '12 at 8:46




3




3





Relevant: A tutorial on expandafter

– Werner
Oct 16 '15 at 23:34





Relevant: A tutorial on expandafter

– Werner
Oct 16 '15 at 23:34










5 Answers
5






active

oldest

votes


















191














Expansion is a complicated area of TeX programming. I'll try to explain the key primitives involved first, then try to come up with some examples.



The expandafter primitive expands the token after the next one. So



expandafterdefcsname an-awkward-nameendcsname


will expand csname before def. So after one expansion the above turns into



defan-awkward-name


which will then do its thing. Life becomes more complex when you want to step further ahead, and it soon becomes very hard to track what is going on.



The edef> primitive does a full expansion of what is given as its argument (in contrast to def, which simply stores the input). So



defexamplea{more stuff}
edefexampleb{Some stuff csname exampleaendcsname}


will expand the csname nameendcsname to examplea, then expand that to leave a final definition of exampleb as 'Some stuff more stuff'.



Now, noexpand comes in by preventing edef from doing an expansion of the next token. So if I modify my above example to read



defexamplea{more stuff}
edefexampleb{Some stuff expandafternoexpandcsname exampleaendcsname}


then what will happen is that the edef will execute the expandafter, which will turn the above effectively into



defexamplea{more stuff}
edefexampleb{Some stuff noexpandexamplea}


Now the noexpand will operate (disappearing in the process), leaving the definition of exampleb as 'Some stuff examplea'.



We can use this ability to cut down on expandafter use, but there are a couple of other things to know. First, e-TeX includes an additional primitive unexpanded, which will prevent expansion of multiple tokens. Secondly, there are various special cases where you don't need quite so many expandafter statements. A classic example is from within csname, as this will do expansion anyway. So you'll see things like



csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken


which will expand token before name.



Back to your example. In the first one, there isn't much to do: as the entire point is to have a dynamic name (#1), doing an edef at point-of-definition doesn't really make sense. The closest one can get is something like



edefcohtheory{%
noexpandnewcommandexpandafternoexpandcsname foofuncendcsname[1][*]{%
noexpandMakeUppercase{foo}^{##1}}%
}


What will happen here is that newcommand and MakeUppercase will be protected from expansion, and the csname will only expand once. (Tokens which don't have an expansion don't need protection, which is why things like '[1]' are simply included as is.) Of course, this is something of a 'toy' as all it does is create a fixed foofunc.



For your second example, you could instead to



begingroup
edeftemp{%
endgroup
noexpandcommand
{unexpandedexpandafter{argone}}%
{unexpandedexpandafter{argtwo}}%
}
temp


I'm using a couple of extra ideas here. First, the group is used so that temp is not altered anywhere other than where I'm using it. The endgroup primitive will do nothing inside the edef, and so will still be there to close the group when temp is used. Secondly, unexpanded works like a toks, and so will respect the expandafter after it but before the {. This cuts down on an unnecessary expandafter.



There are more wrinkles to this, and often there are several equally-efficient and clear methods. You are best off posting specific examples, and seeking advice on how they might be achieved.






share|improve this answer


























  • The solution I went for is a cross of your two approaches: defcohtheory#1{defname{csname#1funcendcsname} edeftemp{noexpandgdefname{...}}temp}. Thanks for your time!

    – Michaël
    Jan 16 '18 at 16:00





















25














One difference of expandafter and edef is their behaviour towards protected macros.



eTeX provides the prefix protected which can be used before def and friends to define a protected, i.e. "robust" macro which doesn't expand inside an edef context (like in write). However, expandafter does expand such a macro.



See the following example (works with eTeX and LaTeX):



protecteddefpempty{}

edefwithedef{xpempty x}
expandafterdefexpandafterwithexpandafterexpandafter{expandafter xpempty x}

tt
meaningpempty.

meaningwithedef.

meaningwithexpandafter.


Gives:



protected macro:->.
macro:->xpempty x.
macro:->xx.




There are also the situations where TeX is expanding tokens, like after & and cr inside a halign. Here TeX stops when finding a protected macro without expanding it. However, if TeX is expanding tokens while in number reading mode like for ifnum protected macros are also expanded.






share|improve this answer





















  • 4





    The details of exactly when protected macros are not expanded are in the e-TeX manual.

    – Joseph Wright
    Feb 26 '11 at 20:06



















10














For the particular problem of creating control sequences dynamically, I suggest you use something like



defcsarg #1{%
begingroup
expandafter
endgroup
expandafter #1csname
}


You use it like



csargmycommandbuilder <whatever> endcsname


You can even use it like this



csargmycommandbuilder <whatever> expandafterendcsname
csname <whatever2> expandafterendcsname
csname <whatever3> endcsname


However, take care with the spaces. The above code constructs control sequences that have spaces in their names!






share|improve this answer































    10














    Sometimes having a few helper macros makes the code much more readable. For example, in ConTeXt, typically your first macro will be written as



    defcohtheory#1%
    {setvalue{#1func}{dodoubleargumentdocohtheory[#1]}}

    defdocohtheory[#1][#2]%
    {#1^{ifsecondargument #2 else * fi}}


    where setvalue is roughly equivalent to the expandafter newcommand bit. (ignore the difference in the manner in which optional arguments are handled).



    The second macro will typically be written as



    {command{argone}{argtwo}}


    where expanded fully expands its arguments. expanded is defined roughly in the same manner as Joseph's temp macro, but uses xdef instead of edef.






    share|improve this answer

































      1














      To make this answers complete, one has to know, that TeX uses scopes, that are regions, where the defined macros are know. If you leave that region, the macro (and of course its content) will be destroyed. Lets make an example:



      defa{foo}
      {
      defa{bar}
      The actual content of verb|a| is a
      }
      The actual value of verb|a| is a


      will produce



      First example output



      The reason is due to the fact, that the braces {} form a new scope. Within this scope, the macro a is local, so to say: it is a quite new macro which stores different content compared to the still existing macro with the same name but resting in a different scope. Therefore, the first call of a results in the content "bar". Afterwards the scope area ends, the local variable is destroyed and the macro, that belongs to the surrounding scope is "restored". The second call of a from the outer scope will present the content, that was initially stored in a: "foo".



      If you need to work on the same value in different scopes, you have to use a global variable. Here is another example, to make the point clear:



      %% Second example with b
      {
      globaldefb{baz}
      %% Do some things on b
      }
      The actual value of verb|b|, defined in a not more existing scope is
      still `b'.


      And the result:



      Second example output



      Instead of the above more literal code, I could also have used the shorter form with gdef:



      %% Second example with b
      {
      gdefb{baz}
      %% Do some things on b
      }
      The actual value of verb|b|, defined in a not more existing scope is
      still `b'.


      The result is still the same:



      Second example output



      Please see the other (real good!) answers about the difference between the normal def command, and its companion, the expanding version edef. You can, of course, play the game with expanding macros in the local scope or in the global scope:



      %% Third example with edef and globaledef
      %% Define the variable foo to show, where and why this is happening.
      %% First: the value before the new scope
      deffoo{before}
      defa{foo}
      edefb{foo}
      defc{}
      defd{}
      {
      %% Second: within the scope
      deffoo{within}
      defc{foo}
      edefd{foo}
      globaldefe{foo}
      globaledeff{foo}
      }
      %% Third: after the scope was left, now again in the global scope
      deffoo{after}

      Results
      begin{tabular}{@{} cc @{}}
      toprule
      multicolumn{1}{@{} H}{Variable} & multicolumn{1}{H @{}}{Content} \
      midrule
      a & a \
      b & b \
      c & c \
      d & d \
      e & e \
      f & f \
      bottomrule
      end{tabular}


      It should not be surprising, that the variables c and d are still empty, as they have not been defined global, when they were manipulated in the scope:



      Third example with global and edef



      Of course, again I could have saved typing labour, by replacing globaldef with gdef (see above) and globaledef with xdef. So this is an example with all four kinds of def: def, edef, gdef and xdef.






      share|improve this answer
























      • Though it explains well about the scopes I think this is the wrong question for this answer because this is strictly about expansion not scoping.

        – percusse
        Feb 11 '17 at 11:21











      • @percusse Thanks for your kind words. I had asked the question, what are the differences between the four ?defs, as I had not found an answer in TeX.SE. My question was marked duplicate with respect to this question, and I must agree, that to some kind of extent, this is true. In the above answers, gdef and xdef are missing. In a more broader view, scopes also affect where something is expanded and where not, see my last example with variables c and d. But if you have a strict view, you are right.

        – Jan
        Feb 11 '17 at 11:26













      • That's a wrong duplicate closing reason in my opinion

        – percusse
        Feb 11 '17 at 11:43












      Your Answer








      StackExchange.ready(function() {
      var channelOptions = {
      tags: "".split(" "),
      id: "85"
      };
      initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

      StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
      // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
      if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
      StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
      createEditor();
      });
      }
      else {
      createEditor();
      }
      });

      function createEditor() {
      StackExchange.prepareEditor({
      heartbeatType: 'answer',
      autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
      convertImagesToLinks: false,
      noModals: true,
      showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
      reputationToPostImages: null,
      bindNavPrevention: true,
      postfix: "",
      imageUploader: {
      brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
      contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
      allowUrls: true
      },
      onDemand: true,
      discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
      ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
      });


      }
      });














      draft saved

      draft discarded


















      StackExchange.ready(
      function () {
      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2ftex.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f451%2fwhen-to-use-edef-noexpand-and-expandafter%23new-answer', 'question_page');
      }
      );

      Post as a guest















      Required, but never shown

























      5 Answers
      5






      active

      oldest

      votes








      5 Answers
      5






      active

      oldest

      votes









      active

      oldest

      votes






      active

      oldest

      votes









      191














      Expansion is a complicated area of TeX programming. I'll try to explain the key primitives involved first, then try to come up with some examples.



      The expandafter primitive expands the token after the next one. So



      expandafterdefcsname an-awkward-nameendcsname


      will expand csname before def. So after one expansion the above turns into



      defan-awkward-name


      which will then do its thing. Life becomes more complex when you want to step further ahead, and it soon becomes very hard to track what is going on.



      The edef> primitive does a full expansion of what is given as its argument (in contrast to def, which simply stores the input). So



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff csname exampleaendcsname}


      will expand the csname nameendcsname to examplea, then expand that to leave a final definition of exampleb as 'Some stuff more stuff'.



      Now, noexpand comes in by preventing edef from doing an expansion of the next token. So if I modify my above example to read



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff expandafternoexpandcsname exampleaendcsname}


      then what will happen is that the edef will execute the expandafter, which will turn the above effectively into



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff noexpandexamplea}


      Now the noexpand will operate (disappearing in the process), leaving the definition of exampleb as 'Some stuff examplea'.



      We can use this ability to cut down on expandafter use, but there are a couple of other things to know. First, e-TeX includes an additional primitive unexpanded, which will prevent expansion of multiple tokens. Secondly, there are various special cases where you don't need quite so many expandafter statements. A classic example is from within csname, as this will do expansion anyway. So you'll see things like



      csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken


      which will expand token before name.



      Back to your example. In the first one, there isn't much to do: as the entire point is to have a dynamic name (#1), doing an edef at point-of-definition doesn't really make sense. The closest one can get is something like



      edefcohtheory{%
      noexpandnewcommandexpandafternoexpandcsname foofuncendcsname[1][*]{%
      noexpandMakeUppercase{foo}^{##1}}%
      }


      What will happen here is that newcommand and MakeUppercase will be protected from expansion, and the csname will only expand once. (Tokens which don't have an expansion don't need protection, which is why things like '[1]' are simply included as is.) Of course, this is something of a 'toy' as all it does is create a fixed foofunc.



      For your second example, you could instead to



      begingroup
      edeftemp{%
      endgroup
      noexpandcommand
      {unexpandedexpandafter{argone}}%
      {unexpandedexpandafter{argtwo}}%
      }
      temp


      I'm using a couple of extra ideas here. First, the group is used so that temp is not altered anywhere other than where I'm using it. The endgroup primitive will do nothing inside the edef, and so will still be there to close the group when temp is used. Secondly, unexpanded works like a toks, and so will respect the expandafter after it but before the {. This cuts down on an unnecessary expandafter.



      There are more wrinkles to this, and often there are several equally-efficient and clear methods. You are best off posting specific examples, and seeking advice on how they might be achieved.






      share|improve this answer


























      • The solution I went for is a cross of your two approaches: defcohtheory#1{defname{csname#1funcendcsname} edeftemp{noexpandgdefname{...}}temp}. Thanks for your time!

        – Michaël
        Jan 16 '18 at 16:00


















      191














      Expansion is a complicated area of TeX programming. I'll try to explain the key primitives involved first, then try to come up with some examples.



      The expandafter primitive expands the token after the next one. So



      expandafterdefcsname an-awkward-nameendcsname


      will expand csname before def. So after one expansion the above turns into



      defan-awkward-name


      which will then do its thing. Life becomes more complex when you want to step further ahead, and it soon becomes very hard to track what is going on.



      The edef> primitive does a full expansion of what is given as its argument (in contrast to def, which simply stores the input). So



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff csname exampleaendcsname}


      will expand the csname nameendcsname to examplea, then expand that to leave a final definition of exampleb as 'Some stuff more stuff'.



      Now, noexpand comes in by preventing edef from doing an expansion of the next token. So if I modify my above example to read



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff expandafternoexpandcsname exampleaendcsname}


      then what will happen is that the edef will execute the expandafter, which will turn the above effectively into



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff noexpandexamplea}


      Now the noexpand will operate (disappearing in the process), leaving the definition of exampleb as 'Some stuff examplea'.



      We can use this ability to cut down on expandafter use, but there are a couple of other things to know. First, e-TeX includes an additional primitive unexpanded, which will prevent expansion of multiple tokens. Secondly, there are various special cases where you don't need quite so many expandafter statements. A classic example is from within csname, as this will do expansion anyway. So you'll see things like



      csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken


      which will expand token before name.



      Back to your example. In the first one, there isn't much to do: as the entire point is to have a dynamic name (#1), doing an edef at point-of-definition doesn't really make sense. The closest one can get is something like



      edefcohtheory{%
      noexpandnewcommandexpandafternoexpandcsname foofuncendcsname[1][*]{%
      noexpandMakeUppercase{foo}^{##1}}%
      }


      What will happen here is that newcommand and MakeUppercase will be protected from expansion, and the csname will only expand once. (Tokens which don't have an expansion don't need protection, which is why things like '[1]' are simply included as is.) Of course, this is something of a 'toy' as all it does is create a fixed foofunc.



      For your second example, you could instead to



      begingroup
      edeftemp{%
      endgroup
      noexpandcommand
      {unexpandedexpandafter{argone}}%
      {unexpandedexpandafter{argtwo}}%
      }
      temp


      I'm using a couple of extra ideas here. First, the group is used so that temp is not altered anywhere other than where I'm using it. The endgroup primitive will do nothing inside the edef, and so will still be there to close the group when temp is used. Secondly, unexpanded works like a toks, and so will respect the expandafter after it but before the {. This cuts down on an unnecessary expandafter.



      There are more wrinkles to this, and often there are several equally-efficient and clear methods. You are best off posting specific examples, and seeking advice on how they might be achieved.






      share|improve this answer


























      • The solution I went for is a cross of your two approaches: defcohtheory#1{defname{csname#1funcendcsname} edeftemp{noexpandgdefname{...}}temp}. Thanks for your time!

        – Michaël
        Jan 16 '18 at 16:00
















      191












      191








      191







      Expansion is a complicated area of TeX programming. I'll try to explain the key primitives involved first, then try to come up with some examples.



      The expandafter primitive expands the token after the next one. So



      expandafterdefcsname an-awkward-nameendcsname


      will expand csname before def. So after one expansion the above turns into



      defan-awkward-name


      which will then do its thing. Life becomes more complex when you want to step further ahead, and it soon becomes very hard to track what is going on.



      The edef> primitive does a full expansion of what is given as its argument (in contrast to def, which simply stores the input). So



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff csname exampleaendcsname}


      will expand the csname nameendcsname to examplea, then expand that to leave a final definition of exampleb as 'Some stuff more stuff'.



      Now, noexpand comes in by preventing edef from doing an expansion of the next token. So if I modify my above example to read



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff expandafternoexpandcsname exampleaendcsname}


      then what will happen is that the edef will execute the expandafter, which will turn the above effectively into



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff noexpandexamplea}


      Now the noexpand will operate (disappearing in the process), leaving the definition of exampleb as 'Some stuff examplea'.



      We can use this ability to cut down on expandafter use, but there are a couple of other things to know. First, e-TeX includes an additional primitive unexpanded, which will prevent expansion of multiple tokens. Secondly, there are various special cases where you don't need quite so many expandafter statements. A classic example is from within csname, as this will do expansion anyway. So you'll see things like



      csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken


      which will expand token before name.



      Back to your example. In the first one, there isn't much to do: as the entire point is to have a dynamic name (#1), doing an edef at point-of-definition doesn't really make sense. The closest one can get is something like



      edefcohtheory{%
      noexpandnewcommandexpandafternoexpandcsname foofuncendcsname[1][*]{%
      noexpandMakeUppercase{foo}^{##1}}%
      }


      What will happen here is that newcommand and MakeUppercase will be protected from expansion, and the csname will only expand once. (Tokens which don't have an expansion don't need protection, which is why things like '[1]' are simply included as is.) Of course, this is something of a 'toy' as all it does is create a fixed foofunc.



      For your second example, you could instead to



      begingroup
      edeftemp{%
      endgroup
      noexpandcommand
      {unexpandedexpandafter{argone}}%
      {unexpandedexpandafter{argtwo}}%
      }
      temp


      I'm using a couple of extra ideas here. First, the group is used so that temp is not altered anywhere other than where I'm using it. The endgroup primitive will do nothing inside the edef, and so will still be there to close the group when temp is used. Secondly, unexpanded works like a toks, and so will respect the expandafter after it but before the {. This cuts down on an unnecessary expandafter.



      There are more wrinkles to this, and often there are several equally-efficient and clear methods. You are best off posting specific examples, and seeking advice on how they might be achieved.






      share|improve this answer















      Expansion is a complicated area of TeX programming. I'll try to explain the key primitives involved first, then try to come up with some examples.



      The expandafter primitive expands the token after the next one. So



      expandafterdefcsname an-awkward-nameendcsname


      will expand csname before def. So after one expansion the above turns into



      defan-awkward-name


      which will then do its thing. Life becomes more complex when you want to step further ahead, and it soon becomes very hard to track what is going on.



      The edef> primitive does a full expansion of what is given as its argument (in contrast to def, which simply stores the input). So



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff csname exampleaendcsname}


      will expand the csname nameendcsname to examplea, then expand that to leave a final definition of exampleb as 'Some stuff more stuff'.



      Now, noexpand comes in by preventing edef from doing an expansion of the next token. So if I modify my above example to read



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff expandafternoexpandcsname exampleaendcsname}


      then what will happen is that the edef will execute the expandafter, which will turn the above effectively into



      defexamplea{more stuff}
      edefexampleb{Some stuff noexpandexamplea}


      Now the noexpand will operate (disappearing in the process), leaving the definition of exampleb as 'Some stuff examplea'.



      We can use this ability to cut down on expandafter use, but there are a couple of other things to know. First, e-TeX includes an additional primitive unexpanded, which will prevent expansion of multiple tokens. Secondly, there are various special cases where you don't need quite so many expandafter statements. A classic example is from within csname, as this will do expansion anyway. So you'll see things like



      csname nameexpandafterendcsnametoken


      which will expand token before name.



      Back to your example. In the first one, there isn't much to do: as the entire point is to have a dynamic name (#1), doing an edef at point-of-definition doesn't really make sense. The closest one can get is something like



      edefcohtheory{%
      noexpandnewcommandexpandafternoexpandcsname foofuncendcsname[1][*]{%
      noexpandMakeUppercase{foo}^{##1}}%
      }


      What will happen here is that newcommand and MakeUppercase will be protected from expansion, and the csname will only expand once. (Tokens which don't have an expansion don't need protection, which is why things like '[1]' are simply included as is.) Of course, this is something of a 'toy' as all it does is create a fixed foofunc.



      For your second example, you could instead to



      begingroup
      edeftemp{%
      endgroup
      noexpandcommand
      {unexpandedexpandafter{argone}}%
      {unexpandedexpandafter{argtwo}}%
      }
      temp


      I'm using a couple of extra ideas here. First, the group is used so that temp is not altered anywhere other than where I'm using it. The endgroup primitive will do nothing inside the edef, and so will still be there to close the group when temp is used. Secondly, unexpanded works like a toks, and so will respect the expandafter after it but before the {. This cuts down on an unnecessary expandafter.



      There are more wrinkles to this, and often there are several equally-efficient and clear methods. You are best off posting specific examples, and seeking advice on how they might be achieved.







      share|improve this answer














      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer








      edited Jan 16 '18 at 14:14

























      answered Jul 28 '10 at 20:22









      Joseph WrightJoseph Wright

      206k23566895




      206k23566895













      • The solution I went for is a cross of your two approaches: defcohtheory#1{defname{csname#1funcendcsname} edeftemp{noexpandgdefname{...}}temp}. Thanks for your time!

        – Michaël
        Jan 16 '18 at 16:00





















      • The solution I went for is a cross of your two approaches: defcohtheory#1{defname{csname#1funcendcsname} edeftemp{noexpandgdefname{...}}temp}. Thanks for your time!

        – Michaël
        Jan 16 '18 at 16:00



















      The solution I went for is a cross of your two approaches: defcohtheory#1{defname{csname#1funcendcsname} edeftemp{noexpandgdefname{...}}temp}. Thanks for your time!

      – Michaël
      Jan 16 '18 at 16:00







      The solution I went for is a cross of your two approaches: defcohtheory#1{defname{csname#1funcendcsname} edeftemp{noexpandgdefname{...}}temp}. Thanks for your time!

      – Michaël
      Jan 16 '18 at 16:00













      25














      One difference of expandafter and edef is their behaviour towards protected macros.



      eTeX provides the prefix protected which can be used before def and friends to define a protected, i.e. "robust" macro which doesn't expand inside an edef context (like in write). However, expandafter does expand such a macro.



      See the following example (works with eTeX and LaTeX):



      protecteddefpempty{}

      edefwithedef{xpempty x}
      expandafterdefexpandafterwithexpandafterexpandafter{expandafter xpempty x}

      tt
      meaningpempty.

      meaningwithedef.

      meaningwithexpandafter.


      Gives:



      protected macro:->.
      macro:->xpempty x.
      macro:->xx.




      There are also the situations where TeX is expanding tokens, like after & and cr inside a halign. Here TeX stops when finding a protected macro without expanding it. However, if TeX is expanding tokens while in number reading mode like for ifnum protected macros are also expanded.






      share|improve this answer





















      • 4





        The details of exactly when protected macros are not expanded are in the e-TeX manual.

        – Joseph Wright
        Feb 26 '11 at 20:06
















      25














      One difference of expandafter and edef is their behaviour towards protected macros.



      eTeX provides the prefix protected which can be used before def and friends to define a protected, i.e. "robust" macro which doesn't expand inside an edef context (like in write). However, expandafter does expand such a macro.



      See the following example (works with eTeX and LaTeX):



      protecteddefpempty{}

      edefwithedef{xpempty x}
      expandafterdefexpandafterwithexpandafterexpandafter{expandafter xpempty x}

      tt
      meaningpempty.

      meaningwithedef.

      meaningwithexpandafter.


      Gives:



      protected macro:->.
      macro:->xpempty x.
      macro:->xx.




      There are also the situations where TeX is expanding tokens, like after & and cr inside a halign. Here TeX stops when finding a protected macro without expanding it. However, if TeX is expanding tokens while in number reading mode like for ifnum protected macros are also expanded.






      share|improve this answer





















      • 4





        The details of exactly when protected macros are not expanded are in the e-TeX manual.

        – Joseph Wright
        Feb 26 '11 at 20:06














      25












      25








      25







      One difference of expandafter and edef is their behaviour towards protected macros.



      eTeX provides the prefix protected which can be used before def and friends to define a protected, i.e. "robust" macro which doesn't expand inside an edef context (like in write). However, expandafter does expand such a macro.



      See the following example (works with eTeX and LaTeX):



      protecteddefpempty{}

      edefwithedef{xpempty x}
      expandafterdefexpandafterwithexpandafterexpandafter{expandafter xpempty x}

      tt
      meaningpempty.

      meaningwithedef.

      meaningwithexpandafter.


      Gives:



      protected macro:->.
      macro:->xpempty x.
      macro:->xx.




      There are also the situations where TeX is expanding tokens, like after & and cr inside a halign. Here TeX stops when finding a protected macro without expanding it. However, if TeX is expanding tokens while in number reading mode like for ifnum protected macros are also expanded.






      share|improve this answer















      One difference of expandafter and edef is their behaviour towards protected macros.



      eTeX provides the prefix protected which can be used before def and friends to define a protected, i.e. "robust" macro which doesn't expand inside an edef context (like in write). However, expandafter does expand such a macro.



      See the following example (works with eTeX and LaTeX):



      protecteddefpempty{}

      edefwithedef{xpempty x}
      expandafterdefexpandafterwithexpandafterexpandafter{expandafter xpempty x}

      tt
      meaningpempty.

      meaningwithedef.

      meaningwithexpandafter.


      Gives:



      protected macro:->.
      macro:->xpempty x.
      macro:->xx.




      There are also the situations where TeX is expanding tokens, like after & and cr inside a halign. Here TeX stops when finding a protected macro without expanding it. However, if TeX is expanding tokens while in number reading mode like for ifnum protected macros are also expanded.







      share|improve this answer














      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer








      edited Jan 16 '18 at 8:11

























      answered Feb 26 '11 at 20:05









      Martin ScharrerMartin Scharrer

      204k47653831




      204k47653831








      • 4





        The details of exactly when protected macros are not expanded are in the e-TeX manual.

        – Joseph Wright
        Feb 26 '11 at 20:06














      • 4





        The details of exactly when protected macros are not expanded are in the e-TeX manual.

        – Joseph Wright
        Feb 26 '11 at 20:06








      4




      4





      The details of exactly when protected macros are not expanded are in the e-TeX manual.

      – Joseph Wright
      Feb 26 '11 at 20:06





      The details of exactly when protected macros are not expanded are in the e-TeX manual.

      – Joseph Wright
      Feb 26 '11 at 20:06











      10














      For the particular problem of creating control sequences dynamically, I suggest you use something like



      defcsarg #1{%
      begingroup
      expandafter
      endgroup
      expandafter #1csname
      }


      You use it like



      csargmycommandbuilder <whatever> endcsname


      You can even use it like this



      csargmycommandbuilder <whatever> expandafterendcsname
      csname <whatever2> expandafterendcsname
      csname <whatever3> endcsname


      However, take care with the spaces. The above code constructs control sequences that have spaces in their names!






      share|improve this answer




























        10














        For the particular problem of creating control sequences dynamically, I suggest you use something like



        defcsarg #1{%
        begingroup
        expandafter
        endgroup
        expandafter #1csname
        }


        You use it like



        csargmycommandbuilder <whatever> endcsname


        You can even use it like this



        csargmycommandbuilder <whatever> expandafterendcsname
        csname <whatever2> expandafterendcsname
        csname <whatever3> endcsname


        However, take care with the spaces. The above code constructs control sequences that have spaces in their names!






        share|improve this answer


























          10












          10








          10







          For the particular problem of creating control sequences dynamically, I suggest you use something like



          defcsarg #1{%
          begingroup
          expandafter
          endgroup
          expandafter #1csname
          }


          You use it like



          csargmycommandbuilder <whatever> endcsname


          You can even use it like this



          csargmycommandbuilder <whatever> expandafterendcsname
          csname <whatever2> expandafterendcsname
          csname <whatever3> endcsname


          However, take care with the spaces. The above code constructs control sequences that have spaces in their names!






          share|improve this answer













          For the particular problem of creating control sequences dynamically, I suggest you use something like



          defcsarg #1{%
          begingroup
          expandafter
          endgroup
          expandafter #1csname
          }


          You use it like



          csargmycommandbuilder <whatever> endcsname


          You can even use it like this



          csargmycommandbuilder <whatever> expandafterendcsname
          csname <whatever2> expandafterendcsname
          csname <whatever3> endcsname


          However, take care with the spaces. The above code constructs control sequences that have spaces in their names!







          share|improve this answer












          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer










          answered Aug 4 '10 at 21:45









          Jonathan FineJonathan Fine

          1,6831213




          1,6831213























              10














              Sometimes having a few helper macros makes the code much more readable. For example, in ConTeXt, typically your first macro will be written as



              defcohtheory#1%
              {setvalue{#1func}{dodoubleargumentdocohtheory[#1]}}

              defdocohtheory[#1][#2]%
              {#1^{ifsecondargument #2 else * fi}}


              where setvalue is roughly equivalent to the expandafter newcommand bit. (ignore the difference in the manner in which optional arguments are handled).



              The second macro will typically be written as



              {command{argone}{argtwo}}


              where expanded fully expands its arguments. expanded is defined roughly in the same manner as Joseph's temp macro, but uses xdef instead of edef.






              share|improve this answer






























                10














                Sometimes having a few helper macros makes the code much more readable. For example, in ConTeXt, typically your first macro will be written as



                defcohtheory#1%
                {setvalue{#1func}{dodoubleargumentdocohtheory[#1]}}

                defdocohtheory[#1][#2]%
                {#1^{ifsecondargument #2 else * fi}}


                where setvalue is roughly equivalent to the expandafter newcommand bit. (ignore the difference in the manner in which optional arguments are handled).



                The second macro will typically be written as



                {command{argone}{argtwo}}


                where expanded fully expands its arguments. expanded is defined roughly in the same manner as Joseph's temp macro, but uses xdef instead of edef.






                share|improve this answer




























                  10












                  10








                  10







                  Sometimes having a few helper macros makes the code much more readable. For example, in ConTeXt, typically your first macro will be written as



                  defcohtheory#1%
                  {setvalue{#1func}{dodoubleargumentdocohtheory[#1]}}

                  defdocohtheory[#1][#2]%
                  {#1^{ifsecondargument #2 else * fi}}


                  where setvalue is roughly equivalent to the expandafter newcommand bit. (ignore the difference in the manner in which optional arguments are handled).



                  The second macro will typically be written as



                  {command{argone}{argtwo}}


                  where expanded fully expands its arguments. expanded is defined roughly in the same manner as Joseph's temp macro, but uses xdef instead of edef.






                  share|improve this answer















                  Sometimes having a few helper macros makes the code much more readable. For example, in ConTeXt, typically your first macro will be written as



                  defcohtheory#1%
                  {setvalue{#1func}{dodoubleargumentdocohtheory[#1]}}

                  defdocohtheory[#1][#2]%
                  {#1^{ifsecondargument #2 else * fi}}


                  where setvalue is roughly equivalent to the expandafter newcommand bit. (ignore the difference in the manner in which optional arguments are handled).



                  The second macro will typically be written as



                  {command{argone}{argtwo}}


                  where expanded fully expands its arguments. expanded is defined roughly in the same manner as Joseph's temp macro, but uses xdef instead of edef.







                  share|improve this answer














                  share|improve this answer



                  share|improve this answer








                  edited 6 mins ago









                  JouleV

                  14.8k22666




                  14.8k22666










                  answered Nov 14 '10 at 21:59









                  AdityaAditya

                  56k2110237




                  56k2110237























                      1














                      To make this answers complete, one has to know, that TeX uses scopes, that are regions, where the defined macros are know. If you leave that region, the macro (and of course its content) will be destroyed. Lets make an example:



                      defa{foo}
                      {
                      defa{bar}
                      The actual content of verb|a| is a
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|a| is a


                      will produce



                      First example output



                      The reason is due to the fact, that the braces {} form a new scope. Within this scope, the macro a is local, so to say: it is a quite new macro which stores different content compared to the still existing macro with the same name but resting in a different scope. Therefore, the first call of a results in the content "bar". Afterwards the scope area ends, the local variable is destroyed and the macro, that belongs to the surrounding scope is "restored". The second call of a from the outer scope will present the content, that was initially stored in a: "foo".



                      If you need to work on the same value in different scopes, you have to use a global variable. Here is another example, to make the point clear:



                      %% Second example with b
                      {
                      globaldefb{baz}
                      %% Do some things on b
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|b|, defined in a not more existing scope is
                      still `b'.


                      And the result:



                      Second example output



                      Instead of the above more literal code, I could also have used the shorter form with gdef:



                      %% Second example with b
                      {
                      gdefb{baz}
                      %% Do some things on b
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|b|, defined in a not more existing scope is
                      still `b'.


                      The result is still the same:



                      Second example output



                      Please see the other (real good!) answers about the difference between the normal def command, and its companion, the expanding version edef. You can, of course, play the game with expanding macros in the local scope or in the global scope:



                      %% Third example with edef and globaledef
                      %% Define the variable foo to show, where and why this is happening.
                      %% First: the value before the new scope
                      deffoo{before}
                      defa{foo}
                      edefb{foo}
                      defc{}
                      defd{}
                      {
                      %% Second: within the scope
                      deffoo{within}
                      defc{foo}
                      edefd{foo}
                      globaldefe{foo}
                      globaledeff{foo}
                      }
                      %% Third: after the scope was left, now again in the global scope
                      deffoo{after}

                      Results
                      begin{tabular}{@{} cc @{}}
                      toprule
                      multicolumn{1}{@{} H}{Variable} & multicolumn{1}{H @{}}{Content} \
                      midrule
                      a & a \
                      b & b \
                      c & c \
                      d & d \
                      e & e \
                      f & f \
                      bottomrule
                      end{tabular}


                      It should not be surprising, that the variables c and d are still empty, as they have not been defined global, when they were manipulated in the scope:



                      Third example with global and edef



                      Of course, again I could have saved typing labour, by replacing globaldef with gdef (see above) and globaledef with xdef. So this is an example with all four kinds of def: def, edef, gdef and xdef.






                      share|improve this answer
























                      • Though it explains well about the scopes I think this is the wrong question for this answer because this is strictly about expansion not scoping.

                        – percusse
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:21











                      • @percusse Thanks for your kind words. I had asked the question, what are the differences between the four ?defs, as I had not found an answer in TeX.SE. My question was marked duplicate with respect to this question, and I must agree, that to some kind of extent, this is true. In the above answers, gdef and xdef are missing. In a more broader view, scopes also affect where something is expanded and where not, see my last example with variables c and d. But if you have a strict view, you are right.

                        – Jan
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:26













                      • That's a wrong duplicate closing reason in my opinion

                        – percusse
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:43
















                      1














                      To make this answers complete, one has to know, that TeX uses scopes, that are regions, where the defined macros are know. If you leave that region, the macro (and of course its content) will be destroyed. Lets make an example:



                      defa{foo}
                      {
                      defa{bar}
                      The actual content of verb|a| is a
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|a| is a


                      will produce



                      First example output



                      The reason is due to the fact, that the braces {} form a new scope. Within this scope, the macro a is local, so to say: it is a quite new macro which stores different content compared to the still existing macro with the same name but resting in a different scope. Therefore, the first call of a results in the content "bar". Afterwards the scope area ends, the local variable is destroyed and the macro, that belongs to the surrounding scope is "restored". The second call of a from the outer scope will present the content, that was initially stored in a: "foo".



                      If you need to work on the same value in different scopes, you have to use a global variable. Here is another example, to make the point clear:



                      %% Second example with b
                      {
                      globaldefb{baz}
                      %% Do some things on b
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|b|, defined in a not more existing scope is
                      still `b'.


                      And the result:



                      Second example output



                      Instead of the above more literal code, I could also have used the shorter form with gdef:



                      %% Second example with b
                      {
                      gdefb{baz}
                      %% Do some things on b
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|b|, defined in a not more existing scope is
                      still `b'.


                      The result is still the same:



                      Second example output



                      Please see the other (real good!) answers about the difference between the normal def command, and its companion, the expanding version edef. You can, of course, play the game with expanding macros in the local scope or in the global scope:



                      %% Third example with edef and globaledef
                      %% Define the variable foo to show, where and why this is happening.
                      %% First: the value before the new scope
                      deffoo{before}
                      defa{foo}
                      edefb{foo}
                      defc{}
                      defd{}
                      {
                      %% Second: within the scope
                      deffoo{within}
                      defc{foo}
                      edefd{foo}
                      globaldefe{foo}
                      globaledeff{foo}
                      }
                      %% Third: after the scope was left, now again in the global scope
                      deffoo{after}

                      Results
                      begin{tabular}{@{} cc @{}}
                      toprule
                      multicolumn{1}{@{} H}{Variable} & multicolumn{1}{H @{}}{Content} \
                      midrule
                      a & a \
                      b & b \
                      c & c \
                      d & d \
                      e & e \
                      f & f \
                      bottomrule
                      end{tabular}


                      It should not be surprising, that the variables c and d are still empty, as they have not been defined global, when they were manipulated in the scope:



                      Third example with global and edef



                      Of course, again I could have saved typing labour, by replacing globaldef with gdef (see above) and globaledef with xdef. So this is an example with all four kinds of def: def, edef, gdef and xdef.






                      share|improve this answer
























                      • Though it explains well about the scopes I think this is the wrong question for this answer because this is strictly about expansion not scoping.

                        – percusse
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:21











                      • @percusse Thanks for your kind words. I had asked the question, what are the differences between the four ?defs, as I had not found an answer in TeX.SE. My question was marked duplicate with respect to this question, and I must agree, that to some kind of extent, this is true. In the above answers, gdef and xdef are missing. In a more broader view, scopes also affect where something is expanded and where not, see my last example with variables c and d. But if you have a strict view, you are right.

                        – Jan
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:26













                      • That's a wrong duplicate closing reason in my opinion

                        – percusse
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:43














                      1












                      1








                      1







                      To make this answers complete, one has to know, that TeX uses scopes, that are regions, where the defined macros are know. If you leave that region, the macro (and of course its content) will be destroyed. Lets make an example:



                      defa{foo}
                      {
                      defa{bar}
                      The actual content of verb|a| is a
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|a| is a


                      will produce



                      First example output



                      The reason is due to the fact, that the braces {} form a new scope. Within this scope, the macro a is local, so to say: it is a quite new macro which stores different content compared to the still existing macro with the same name but resting in a different scope. Therefore, the first call of a results in the content "bar". Afterwards the scope area ends, the local variable is destroyed and the macro, that belongs to the surrounding scope is "restored". The second call of a from the outer scope will present the content, that was initially stored in a: "foo".



                      If you need to work on the same value in different scopes, you have to use a global variable. Here is another example, to make the point clear:



                      %% Second example with b
                      {
                      globaldefb{baz}
                      %% Do some things on b
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|b|, defined in a not more existing scope is
                      still `b'.


                      And the result:



                      Second example output



                      Instead of the above more literal code, I could also have used the shorter form with gdef:



                      %% Second example with b
                      {
                      gdefb{baz}
                      %% Do some things on b
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|b|, defined in a not more existing scope is
                      still `b'.


                      The result is still the same:



                      Second example output



                      Please see the other (real good!) answers about the difference between the normal def command, and its companion, the expanding version edef. You can, of course, play the game with expanding macros in the local scope or in the global scope:



                      %% Third example with edef and globaledef
                      %% Define the variable foo to show, where and why this is happening.
                      %% First: the value before the new scope
                      deffoo{before}
                      defa{foo}
                      edefb{foo}
                      defc{}
                      defd{}
                      {
                      %% Second: within the scope
                      deffoo{within}
                      defc{foo}
                      edefd{foo}
                      globaldefe{foo}
                      globaledeff{foo}
                      }
                      %% Third: after the scope was left, now again in the global scope
                      deffoo{after}

                      Results
                      begin{tabular}{@{} cc @{}}
                      toprule
                      multicolumn{1}{@{} H}{Variable} & multicolumn{1}{H @{}}{Content} \
                      midrule
                      a & a \
                      b & b \
                      c & c \
                      d & d \
                      e & e \
                      f & f \
                      bottomrule
                      end{tabular}


                      It should not be surprising, that the variables c and d are still empty, as they have not been defined global, when they were manipulated in the scope:



                      Third example with global and edef



                      Of course, again I could have saved typing labour, by replacing globaldef with gdef (see above) and globaledef with xdef. So this is an example with all four kinds of def: def, edef, gdef and xdef.






                      share|improve this answer













                      To make this answers complete, one has to know, that TeX uses scopes, that are regions, where the defined macros are know. If you leave that region, the macro (and of course its content) will be destroyed. Lets make an example:



                      defa{foo}
                      {
                      defa{bar}
                      The actual content of verb|a| is a
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|a| is a


                      will produce



                      First example output



                      The reason is due to the fact, that the braces {} form a new scope. Within this scope, the macro a is local, so to say: it is a quite new macro which stores different content compared to the still existing macro with the same name but resting in a different scope. Therefore, the first call of a results in the content "bar". Afterwards the scope area ends, the local variable is destroyed and the macro, that belongs to the surrounding scope is "restored". The second call of a from the outer scope will present the content, that was initially stored in a: "foo".



                      If you need to work on the same value in different scopes, you have to use a global variable. Here is another example, to make the point clear:



                      %% Second example with b
                      {
                      globaldefb{baz}
                      %% Do some things on b
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|b|, defined in a not more existing scope is
                      still `b'.


                      And the result:



                      Second example output



                      Instead of the above more literal code, I could also have used the shorter form with gdef:



                      %% Second example with b
                      {
                      gdefb{baz}
                      %% Do some things on b
                      }
                      The actual value of verb|b|, defined in a not more existing scope is
                      still `b'.


                      The result is still the same:



                      Second example output



                      Please see the other (real good!) answers about the difference between the normal def command, and its companion, the expanding version edef. You can, of course, play the game with expanding macros in the local scope or in the global scope:



                      %% Third example with edef and globaledef
                      %% Define the variable foo to show, where and why this is happening.
                      %% First: the value before the new scope
                      deffoo{before}
                      defa{foo}
                      edefb{foo}
                      defc{}
                      defd{}
                      {
                      %% Second: within the scope
                      deffoo{within}
                      defc{foo}
                      edefd{foo}
                      globaldefe{foo}
                      globaledeff{foo}
                      }
                      %% Third: after the scope was left, now again in the global scope
                      deffoo{after}

                      Results
                      begin{tabular}{@{} cc @{}}
                      toprule
                      multicolumn{1}{@{} H}{Variable} & multicolumn{1}{H @{}}{Content} \
                      midrule
                      a & a \
                      b & b \
                      c & c \
                      d & d \
                      e & e \
                      f & f \
                      bottomrule
                      end{tabular}


                      It should not be surprising, that the variables c and d are still empty, as they have not been defined global, when they were manipulated in the scope:



                      Third example with global and edef



                      Of course, again I could have saved typing labour, by replacing globaldef with gdef (see above) and globaledef with xdef. So this is an example with all four kinds of def: def, edef, gdef and xdef.







                      share|improve this answer












                      share|improve this answer



                      share|improve this answer










                      answered Feb 11 '17 at 11:18









                      JanJan

                      3,7381630




                      3,7381630













                      • Though it explains well about the scopes I think this is the wrong question for this answer because this is strictly about expansion not scoping.

                        – percusse
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:21











                      • @percusse Thanks for your kind words. I had asked the question, what are the differences between the four ?defs, as I had not found an answer in TeX.SE. My question was marked duplicate with respect to this question, and I must agree, that to some kind of extent, this is true. In the above answers, gdef and xdef are missing. In a more broader view, scopes also affect where something is expanded and where not, see my last example with variables c and d. But if you have a strict view, you are right.

                        – Jan
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:26













                      • That's a wrong duplicate closing reason in my opinion

                        – percusse
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:43



















                      • Though it explains well about the scopes I think this is the wrong question for this answer because this is strictly about expansion not scoping.

                        – percusse
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:21











                      • @percusse Thanks for your kind words. I had asked the question, what are the differences between the four ?defs, as I had not found an answer in TeX.SE. My question was marked duplicate with respect to this question, and I must agree, that to some kind of extent, this is true. In the above answers, gdef and xdef are missing. In a more broader view, scopes also affect where something is expanded and where not, see my last example with variables c and d. But if you have a strict view, you are right.

                        – Jan
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:26













                      • That's a wrong duplicate closing reason in my opinion

                        – percusse
                        Feb 11 '17 at 11:43

















                      Though it explains well about the scopes I think this is the wrong question for this answer because this is strictly about expansion not scoping.

                      – percusse
                      Feb 11 '17 at 11:21





                      Though it explains well about the scopes I think this is the wrong question for this answer because this is strictly about expansion not scoping.

                      – percusse
                      Feb 11 '17 at 11:21













                      @percusse Thanks for your kind words. I had asked the question, what are the differences between the four ?defs, as I had not found an answer in TeX.SE. My question was marked duplicate with respect to this question, and I must agree, that to some kind of extent, this is true. In the above answers, gdef and xdef are missing. In a more broader view, scopes also affect where something is expanded and where not, see my last example with variables c and d. But if you have a strict view, you are right.

                      – Jan
                      Feb 11 '17 at 11:26







                      @percusse Thanks for your kind words. I had asked the question, what are the differences between the four ?defs, as I had not found an answer in TeX.SE. My question was marked duplicate with respect to this question, and I must agree, that to some kind of extent, this is true. In the above answers, gdef and xdef are missing. In a more broader view, scopes also affect where something is expanded and where not, see my last example with variables c and d. But if you have a strict view, you are right.

                      – Jan
                      Feb 11 '17 at 11:26















                      That's a wrong duplicate closing reason in my opinion

                      – percusse
                      Feb 11 '17 at 11:43





                      That's a wrong duplicate closing reason in my opinion

                      – percusse
                      Feb 11 '17 at 11:43


















                      draft saved

                      draft discarded




















































                      Thanks for contributing an answer to TeX - LaTeX Stack Exchange!


                      • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                      But avoid



                      • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                      • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.


                      To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




                      draft saved


                      draft discarded














                      StackExchange.ready(
                      function () {
                      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2ftex.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f451%2fwhen-to-use-edef-noexpand-and-expandafter%23new-answer', 'question_page');
                      }
                      );

                      Post as a guest















                      Required, but never shown





















































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown

































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown







                      Popular posts from this blog

                      El tren de la libertad Índice Antecedentes "Porque yo decido" Desarrollo de la...

                      Puerta de Hutt Referencias Enlaces externos Menú de navegación15°58′00″S 5°42′00″O /...

                      Castillo d'Acher Características Menú de navegación