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Naming Characters after Friends/Family
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I drafted a book two years ago that I'm now polishing to publish. When I drafted it, for speed's sake, I named one of my primary characters after an old school friend who I'm still in contact with on Facebook. The character's personality isn't him (though he does look a lot like him), I've just used his name. Let's call him Bob Snow.
I don't know whether this happens to other writers out there, but after living with this character through several drafts, he has thoroughly become Bob Snow.
I've tried, over and over, to rename him to Jim Snow, Bob Potts, any number of iterations and new names, but none of them fit because he has become a real person to me. It feels like your best mate saying, I've changed my name by deed poll and you need to call me FlameBoy from now on.
Every beta reader has LOVED this character, he's a really good guy, so there are no issues with defamation. And I'm sure, if I asked Bob's permission, he would probably be flattered. It's a thriller series with 3 books in the offing, so Bob will show up a lot.
Are there possible bumps down the road that I can't see?
Has anyone else faced such a dilemma?
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I drafted a book two years ago that I'm now polishing to publish. When I drafted it, for speed's sake, I named one of my primary characters after an old school friend who I'm still in contact with on Facebook. The character's personality isn't him (though he does look a lot like him), I've just used his name. Let's call him Bob Snow.
I don't know whether this happens to other writers out there, but after living with this character through several drafts, he has thoroughly become Bob Snow.
I've tried, over and over, to rename him to Jim Snow, Bob Potts, any number of iterations and new names, but none of them fit because he has become a real person to me. It feels like your best mate saying, I've changed my name by deed poll and you need to call me FlameBoy from now on.
Every beta reader has LOVED this character, he's a really good guy, so there are no issues with defamation. And I'm sure, if I asked Bob's permission, he would probably be flattered. It's a thriller series with 3 books in the offing, so Bob will show up a lot.
Are there possible bumps down the road that I can't see?
Has anyone else faced such a dilemma?
creative-writing characters naming
Your question is a bit unclear, what kind of bumps are you afraid of? What could possibly go wrong because of giving a character a specific name?
– Bella Swan
8 hours ago
1
Too off-topic for an answer, but an internet search should also be a formal part of naming a character – with an eye for where else the name has been used (politicians, actors, other fiction) and how easily someone could find your book knowing the character's name but not the book title.
– wetcircuit
6 hours ago
1
@wetcircuit as in, you think it's an advantage if people could find my book knowing the character's name but not the book title? His name gets 96 results on Google, mostly because he's "famous" in the small circle of underwater photographers.
– GGx
4 hours ago
@BellaSwan I have no idea what bumps I could encounter by naming a character after a real person (defamation if I accidentally say something out of turn about him - though I don't plan on doing that), hence asking the question. I'm wondering if other writers will say, "I named a character after my best mate and it all went horribly wrong when XYZ happened." I can't see XYZ in the road ahead, so I'm turning to more experienced writers who may have hit bumps that I can't even imagine at this point.
– GGx
4 hours ago
This question qualifies for our contest, in case you want to enter.
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
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I drafted a book two years ago that I'm now polishing to publish. When I drafted it, for speed's sake, I named one of my primary characters after an old school friend who I'm still in contact with on Facebook. The character's personality isn't him (though he does look a lot like him), I've just used his name. Let's call him Bob Snow.
I don't know whether this happens to other writers out there, but after living with this character through several drafts, he has thoroughly become Bob Snow.
I've tried, over and over, to rename him to Jim Snow, Bob Potts, any number of iterations and new names, but none of them fit because he has become a real person to me. It feels like your best mate saying, I've changed my name by deed poll and you need to call me FlameBoy from now on.
Every beta reader has LOVED this character, he's a really good guy, so there are no issues with defamation. And I'm sure, if I asked Bob's permission, he would probably be flattered. It's a thriller series with 3 books in the offing, so Bob will show up a lot.
Are there possible bumps down the road that I can't see?
Has anyone else faced such a dilemma?
creative-writing characters naming
I drafted a book two years ago that I'm now polishing to publish. When I drafted it, for speed's sake, I named one of my primary characters after an old school friend who I'm still in contact with on Facebook. The character's personality isn't him (though he does look a lot like him), I've just used his name. Let's call him Bob Snow.
I don't know whether this happens to other writers out there, but after living with this character through several drafts, he has thoroughly become Bob Snow.
I've tried, over and over, to rename him to Jim Snow, Bob Potts, any number of iterations and new names, but none of them fit because he has become a real person to me. It feels like your best mate saying, I've changed my name by deed poll and you need to call me FlameBoy from now on.
Every beta reader has LOVED this character, he's a really good guy, so there are no issues with defamation. And I'm sure, if I asked Bob's permission, he would probably be flattered. It's a thriller series with 3 books in the offing, so Bob will show up a lot.
Are there possible bumps down the road that I can't see?
Has anyone else faced such a dilemma?
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Your question is a bit unclear, what kind of bumps are you afraid of? What could possibly go wrong because of giving a character a specific name?
– Bella Swan
8 hours ago
1
Too off-topic for an answer, but an internet search should also be a formal part of naming a character – with an eye for where else the name has been used (politicians, actors, other fiction) and how easily someone could find your book knowing the character's name but not the book title.
– wetcircuit
6 hours ago
1
@wetcircuit as in, you think it's an advantage if people could find my book knowing the character's name but not the book title? His name gets 96 results on Google, mostly because he's "famous" in the small circle of underwater photographers.
– GGx
4 hours ago
@BellaSwan I have no idea what bumps I could encounter by naming a character after a real person (defamation if I accidentally say something out of turn about him - though I don't plan on doing that), hence asking the question. I'm wondering if other writers will say, "I named a character after my best mate and it all went horribly wrong when XYZ happened." I can't see XYZ in the road ahead, so I'm turning to more experienced writers who may have hit bumps that I can't even imagine at this point.
– GGx
4 hours ago
This question qualifies for our contest, in case you want to enter.
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Your question is a bit unclear, what kind of bumps are you afraid of? What could possibly go wrong because of giving a character a specific name?
– Bella Swan
8 hours ago
1
Too off-topic for an answer, but an internet search should also be a formal part of naming a character – with an eye for where else the name has been used (politicians, actors, other fiction) and how easily someone could find your book knowing the character's name but not the book title.
– wetcircuit
6 hours ago
1
@wetcircuit as in, you think it's an advantage if people could find my book knowing the character's name but not the book title? His name gets 96 results on Google, mostly because he's "famous" in the small circle of underwater photographers.
– GGx
4 hours ago
@BellaSwan I have no idea what bumps I could encounter by naming a character after a real person (defamation if I accidentally say something out of turn about him - though I don't plan on doing that), hence asking the question. I'm wondering if other writers will say, "I named a character after my best mate and it all went horribly wrong when XYZ happened." I can't see XYZ in the road ahead, so I'm turning to more experienced writers who may have hit bumps that I can't even imagine at this point.
– GGx
4 hours ago
This question qualifies for our contest, in case you want to enter.
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
Your question is a bit unclear, what kind of bumps are you afraid of? What could possibly go wrong because of giving a character a specific name?
– Bella Swan
8 hours ago
Your question is a bit unclear, what kind of bumps are you afraid of? What could possibly go wrong because of giving a character a specific name?
– Bella Swan
8 hours ago
1
1
Too off-topic for an answer, but an internet search should also be a formal part of naming a character – with an eye for where else the name has been used (politicians, actors, other fiction) and how easily someone could find your book knowing the character's name but not the book title.
– wetcircuit
6 hours ago
Too off-topic for an answer, but an internet search should also be a formal part of naming a character – with an eye for where else the name has been used (politicians, actors, other fiction) and how easily someone could find your book knowing the character's name but not the book title.
– wetcircuit
6 hours ago
1
1
@wetcircuit as in, you think it's an advantage if people could find my book knowing the character's name but not the book title? His name gets 96 results on Google, mostly because he's "famous" in the small circle of underwater photographers.
– GGx
4 hours ago
@wetcircuit as in, you think it's an advantage if people could find my book knowing the character's name but not the book title? His name gets 96 results on Google, mostly because he's "famous" in the small circle of underwater photographers.
– GGx
4 hours ago
@BellaSwan I have no idea what bumps I could encounter by naming a character after a real person (defamation if I accidentally say something out of turn about him - though I don't plan on doing that), hence asking the question. I'm wondering if other writers will say, "I named a character after my best mate and it all went horribly wrong when XYZ happened." I can't see XYZ in the road ahead, so I'm turning to more experienced writers who may have hit bumps that I can't even imagine at this point.
– GGx
4 hours ago
@BellaSwan I have no idea what bumps I could encounter by naming a character after a real person (defamation if I accidentally say something out of turn about him - though I don't plan on doing that), hence asking the question. I'm wondering if other writers will say, "I named a character after my best mate and it all went horribly wrong when XYZ happened." I can't see XYZ in the road ahead, so I'm turning to more experienced writers who may have hit bumps that I can't even imagine at this point.
– GGx
4 hours ago
This question qualifies for our contest, in case you want to enter.
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
This question qualifies for our contest, in case you want to enter.
– Monica Cellio♦
3 hours ago
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From a literary standpoint, though, the dilemma is pretty common.
The fact is that name, as uncommon or common as may be, tend to stick to the character. You have gotten used to "Bob Snow", any other thing will seem downright strange.
As testimonied by Taserface in Guardians of the Galaxy vol.2:
I'm not qualified to give you legal advice on the matter - IANAL applies - but the best option would seem ask your friend for permission. You may want to have him give you written permission, e.g. in an email.
Also, consider how much the name is uncommon. There are a million of John Smiths, but far fewer Robert Downey Jrs. The more peculiar the name, the more it will be tied to your friend image; the more you may want to change it to be on the safe side.
To be fair, even if it seems uncomfortable now, a character name is mostly a matter of habit. Switching from Bob Snow to Jim Snow can seem impossible now, but it will fit with the character, in time.
After all, Frodo Baggins was called Bingo Baggins in earlier drafts for Tolkien's the Lord of the Rings.
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thank you, these are good points, particularly about written permission, and prevalence. He's Indian and it's a common name there, but he's "famous" in the underwater photography world so he dominates Google when you search on his name. I know what you mean about Frodo, changing it is by far the easier option, but I've lived with his new name for a year of editing and every time I read it, it still feel downright strange. It is completely ingrained - hence asking the question. Thanks again!
– GGx
5 hours ago
1
@GGX You may want to speak to a lawyer about this before going to your friend. Consider that asking for written permission to use his name is also admitting that you named the character after him (you also mentioned the character "looks like him" - in cover artwork?) IANAL, but that might open a door for him to ask for a cut of the royalties. Whatever written agreement you get with your friend, you might want to ensure it defines how much (if anything) he's entitled to, just in case your book becomes an international best seller.
– Steve-O
3 hours ago
@Steve-O heavens, I hadn't even thought of that. And of course it's going to be an international best seller! Ha ha! As for looking like him ... not in artwork, no, he'll never be on a cover, he's not a protagonist, purely in character descriptions. Thanks - I'll post on the law stack and see what comes back.
– GGx
3 hours ago
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I don't think reader's necessarily like characters for their names. It is true that the poetry of some names seem to imply more altruistic, or harmless, or villainous intent. Frodo Baggins just doesn't sound like a villain, neither does Galadriel, but the Balrog sounds threatening, and Grima (aka Wormtongue, but that is a little on-the-nose) does not sound like a love interest.
But that said, I think there are an infinite number of names that will ring true and will fit for your hero and what you wish to convey. "Snow" as a poetic concept evokes purity, as do many other naturally bright white objects, including about 50 white flowers. In the 1800s Europe a wreath or string of white orange blossoms was once a very common part of a (wealthy) bride's wedding outfit, as a symbol of her purity; if they weren't in season they were made of silk.
"Bob" is a very common name, and a nickname for the more formal "Robert," so "Bob Snow" is evoking a common, casual person that is nonetheless very pure of heart. That doesn't mean they can't be special or heroic, it just means they don't present themselves to the world that way. So if they are special, they are also being non-pretentious and friendly by inviting others to call them "Bob," instead of, say, "Kingslayer".
Perhaps that personality matches your character.
To return to my opening, name choice is important, but you have alternatives, once you recognize the poetry involved. I don't think readers will care, the character's name is just a hint (which you can preserve with a different name), it is the character's actions that truly define them for the reader, and what those actions imply about the character's inner life and thinking (which may also be exposed by your writing) is why they love that character. Or in the case of a villain, hate them.
I think it is a mistake to name a character after somebody you know. It puts restrictions on you for future adventures. What if you need to kill Bob Snow? What if you need to turn him to the dark side? What if he has to do something repellent to save the world? What will your friend think about that? Will you have arguments about what "Bob Snow" would or wouldn't do? Will you always have to write "Bob Snow" in a way that meets with the approval of your friend? Even if you get permanent permission from him for all future works, all of the above is still possible, lest you create resentment in your friend for portraying "him" in a bad light. He may identify with your character.
I'd find a different name. Use your imagination, that is a writer's job.
Amadeus, your points are helpful as always. His name isn't really Bob Snow, hence saying, "Let's call him Bob Snow." I didn't want to put his name in here. You are right on all points, and I have used my imagination to come up with an alternative that, I totally agree, readers won't have a problem with at all. However, I have a problem with it. It feels downright strange to me to call him by anything else. His name does have this beautiful alliteration that sounds kind and honest, fitting his character like a glove.
– GGx
4 hours ago
Fortunately, he isn't my protagonist and won't go on a journey of change. He'll remain staunch and true throughout the entire series, so while this is a very, very good point that you make, I can't see that becoming a problem in this instance. I would never want to change him. All good things to think about though. Thanks.
– GGx
4 hours ago
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Ask Bob for his approval.
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Thanks Mike, if nobody on here comes up with obvious problems as to why I can't do it, I'll just get his written permission and go with it. He's such a lovely character -- every one of my female readers has said they're a little in love with him -- so I think (hope) he'll be flattered by his fictional self!
– GGx
4 hours ago
Sounds like a plan. Good luck with it @GGx
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From a literary standpoint, though, the dilemma is pretty common.
The fact is that name, as uncommon or common as may be, tend to stick to the character. You have gotten used to "Bob Snow", any other thing will seem downright strange.
As testimonied by Taserface in Guardians of the Galaxy vol.2:
I'm not qualified to give you legal advice on the matter - IANAL applies - but the best option would seem ask your friend for permission. You may want to have him give you written permission, e.g. in an email.
Also, consider how much the name is uncommon. There are a million of John Smiths, but far fewer Robert Downey Jrs. The more peculiar the name, the more it will be tied to your friend image; the more you may want to change it to be on the safe side.
To be fair, even if it seems uncomfortable now, a character name is mostly a matter of habit. Switching from Bob Snow to Jim Snow can seem impossible now, but it will fit with the character, in time.
After all, Frodo Baggins was called Bingo Baggins in earlier drafts for Tolkien's the Lord of the Rings.
1
thank you, these are good points, particularly about written permission, and prevalence. He's Indian and it's a common name there, but he's "famous" in the underwater photography world so he dominates Google when you search on his name. I know what you mean about Frodo, changing it is by far the easier option, but I've lived with his new name for a year of editing and every time I read it, it still feel downright strange. It is completely ingrained - hence asking the question. Thanks again!
– GGx
5 hours ago
1
@GGX You may want to speak to a lawyer about this before going to your friend. Consider that asking for written permission to use his name is also admitting that you named the character after him (you also mentioned the character "looks like him" - in cover artwork?) IANAL, but that might open a door for him to ask for a cut of the royalties. Whatever written agreement you get with your friend, you might want to ensure it defines how much (if anything) he's entitled to, just in case your book becomes an international best seller.
– Steve-O
3 hours ago
@Steve-O heavens, I hadn't even thought of that. And of course it's going to be an international best seller! Ha ha! As for looking like him ... not in artwork, no, he'll never be on a cover, he's not a protagonist, purely in character descriptions. Thanks - I'll post on the law stack and see what comes back.
– GGx
3 hours ago
add a comment |
From a literary standpoint, though, the dilemma is pretty common.
The fact is that name, as uncommon or common as may be, tend to stick to the character. You have gotten used to "Bob Snow", any other thing will seem downright strange.
As testimonied by Taserface in Guardians of the Galaxy vol.2:
I'm not qualified to give you legal advice on the matter - IANAL applies - but the best option would seem ask your friend for permission. You may want to have him give you written permission, e.g. in an email.
Also, consider how much the name is uncommon. There are a million of John Smiths, but far fewer Robert Downey Jrs. The more peculiar the name, the more it will be tied to your friend image; the more you may want to change it to be on the safe side.
To be fair, even if it seems uncomfortable now, a character name is mostly a matter of habit. Switching from Bob Snow to Jim Snow can seem impossible now, but it will fit with the character, in time.
After all, Frodo Baggins was called Bingo Baggins in earlier drafts for Tolkien's the Lord of the Rings.
1
thank you, these are good points, particularly about written permission, and prevalence. He's Indian and it's a common name there, but he's "famous" in the underwater photography world so he dominates Google when you search on his name. I know what you mean about Frodo, changing it is by far the easier option, but I've lived with his new name for a year of editing and every time I read it, it still feel downright strange. It is completely ingrained - hence asking the question. Thanks again!
– GGx
5 hours ago
1
@GGX You may want to speak to a lawyer about this before going to your friend. Consider that asking for written permission to use his name is also admitting that you named the character after him (you also mentioned the character "looks like him" - in cover artwork?) IANAL, but that might open a door for him to ask for a cut of the royalties. Whatever written agreement you get with your friend, you might want to ensure it defines how much (if anything) he's entitled to, just in case your book becomes an international best seller.
– Steve-O
3 hours ago
@Steve-O heavens, I hadn't even thought of that. And of course it's going to be an international best seller! Ha ha! As for looking like him ... not in artwork, no, he'll never be on a cover, he's not a protagonist, purely in character descriptions. Thanks - I'll post on the law stack and see what comes back.
– GGx
3 hours ago
add a comment |
From a literary standpoint, though, the dilemma is pretty common.
The fact is that name, as uncommon or common as may be, tend to stick to the character. You have gotten used to "Bob Snow", any other thing will seem downright strange.
As testimonied by Taserface in Guardians of the Galaxy vol.2:
I'm not qualified to give you legal advice on the matter - IANAL applies - but the best option would seem ask your friend for permission. You may want to have him give you written permission, e.g. in an email.
Also, consider how much the name is uncommon. There are a million of John Smiths, but far fewer Robert Downey Jrs. The more peculiar the name, the more it will be tied to your friend image; the more you may want to change it to be on the safe side.
To be fair, even if it seems uncomfortable now, a character name is mostly a matter of habit. Switching from Bob Snow to Jim Snow can seem impossible now, but it will fit with the character, in time.
After all, Frodo Baggins was called Bingo Baggins in earlier drafts for Tolkien's the Lord of the Rings.
From a literary standpoint, though, the dilemma is pretty common.
The fact is that name, as uncommon or common as may be, tend to stick to the character. You have gotten used to "Bob Snow", any other thing will seem downright strange.
As testimonied by Taserface in Guardians of the Galaxy vol.2:
I'm not qualified to give you legal advice on the matter - IANAL applies - but the best option would seem ask your friend for permission. You may want to have him give you written permission, e.g. in an email.
Also, consider how much the name is uncommon. There are a million of John Smiths, but far fewer Robert Downey Jrs. The more peculiar the name, the more it will be tied to your friend image; the more you may want to change it to be on the safe side.
To be fair, even if it seems uncomfortable now, a character name is mostly a matter of habit. Switching from Bob Snow to Jim Snow can seem impossible now, but it will fit with the character, in time.
After all, Frodo Baggins was called Bingo Baggins in earlier drafts for Tolkien's the Lord of the Rings.
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thank you, these are good points, particularly about written permission, and prevalence. He's Indian and it's a common name there, but he's "famous" in the underwater photography world so he dominates Google when you search on his name. I know what you mean about Frodo, changing it is by far the easier option, but I've lived with his new name for a year of editing and every time I read it, it still feel downright strange. It is completely ingrained - hence asking the question. Thanks again!
– GGx
5 hours ago
1
@GGX You may want to speak to a lawyer about this before going to your friend. Consider that asking for written permission to use his name is also admitting that you named the character after him (you also mentioned the character "looks like him" - in cover artwork?) IANAL, but that might open a door for him to ask for a cut of the royalties. Whatever written agreement you get with your friend, you might want to ensure it defines how much (if anything) he's entitled to, just in case your book becomes an international best seller.
– Steve-O
3 hours ago
@Steve-O heavens, I hadn't even thought of that. And of course it's going to be an international best seller! Ha ha! As for looking like him ... not in artwork, no, he'll never be on a cover, he's not a protagonist, purely in character descriptions. Thanks - I'll post on the law stack and see what comes back.
– GGx
3 hours ago
add a comment |
1
thank you, these are good points, particularly about written permission, and prevalence. He's Indian and it's a common name there, but he's "famous" in the underwater photography world so he dominates Google when you search on his name. I know what you mean about Frodo, changing it is by far the easier option, but I've lived with his new name for a year of editing and every time I read it, it still feel downright strange. It is completely ingrained - hence asking the question. Thanks again!
– GGx
5 hours ago
1
@GGX You may want to speak to a lawyer about this before going to your friend. Consider that asking for written permission to use his name is also admitting that you named the character after him (you also mentioned the character "looks like him" - in cover artwork?) IANAL, but that might open a door for him to ask for a cut of the royalties. Whatever written agreement you get with your friend, you might want to ensure it defines how much (if anything) he's entitled to, just in case your book becomes an international best seller.
– Steve-O
3 hours ago
@Steve-O heavens, I hadn't even thought of that. And of course it's going to be an international best seller! Ha ha! As for looking like him ... not in artwork, no, he'll never be on a cover, he's not a protagonist, purely in character descriptions. Thanks - I'll post on the law stack and see what comes back.
– GGx
3 hours ago
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thank you, these are good points, particularly about written permission, and prevalence. He's Indian and it's a common name there, but he's "famous" in the underwater photography world so he dominates Google when you search on his name. I know what you mean about Frodo, changing it is by far the easier option, but I've lived with his new name for a year of editing and every time I read it, it still feel downright strange. It is completely ingrained - hence asking the question. Thanks again!
– GGx
5 hours ago
thank you, these are good points, particularly about written permission, and prevalence. He's Indian and it's a common name there, but he's "famous" in the underwater photography world so he dominates Google when you search on his name. I know what you mean about Frodo, changing it is by far the easier option, but I've lived with his new name for a year of editing and every time I read it, it still feel downright strange. It is completely ingrained - hence asking the question. Thanks again!
– GGx
5 hours ago
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@GGX You may want to speak to a lawyer about this before going to your friend. Consider that asking for written permission to use his name is also admitting that you named the character after him (you also mentioned the character "looks like him" - in cover artwork?) IANAL, but that might open a door for him to ask for a cut of the royalties. Whatever written agreement you get with your friend, you might want to ensure it defines how much (if anything) he's entitled to, just in case your book becomes an international best seller.
– Steve-O
3 hours ago
@GGX You may want to speak to a lawyer about this before going to your friend. Consider that asking for written permission to use his name is also admitting that you named the character after him (you also mentioned the character "looks like him" - in cover artwork?) IANAL, but that might open a door for him to ask for a cut of the royalties. Whatever written agreement you get with your friend, you might want to ensure it defines how much (if anything) he's entitled to, just in case your book becomes an international best seller.
– Steve-O
3 hours ago
@Steve-O heavens, I hadn't even thought of that. And of course it's going to be an international best seller! Ha ha! As for looking like him ... not in artwork, no, he'll never be on a cover, he's not a protagonist, purely in character descriptions. Thanks - I'll post on the law stack and see what comes back.
– GGx
3 hours ago
@Steve-O heavens, I hadn't even thought of that. And of course it's going to be an international best seller! Ha ha! As for looking like him ... not in artwork, no, he'll never be on a cover, he's not a protagonist, purely in character descriptions. Thanks - I'll post on the law stack and see what comes back.
– GGx
3 hours ago
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I don't think reader's necessarily like characters for their names. It is true that the poetry of some names seem to imply more altruistic, or harmless, or villainous intent. Frodo Baggins just doesn't sound like a villain, neither does Galadriel, but the Balrog sounds threatening, and Grima (aka Wormtongue, but that is a little on-the-nose) does not sound like a love interest.
But that said, I think there are an infinite number of names that will ring true and will fit for your hero and what you wish to convey. "Snow" as a poetic concept evokes purity, as do many other naturally bright white objects, including about 50 white flowers. In the 1800s Europe a wreath or string of white orange blossoms was once a very common part of a (wealthy) bride's wedding outfit, as a symbol of her purity; if they weren't in season they were made of silk.
"Bob" is a very common name, and a nickname for the more formal "Robert," so "Bob Snow" is evoking a common, casual person that is nonetheless very pure of heart. That doesn't mean they can't be special or heroic, it just means they don't present themselves to the world that way. So if they are special, they are also being non-pretentious and friendly by inviting others to call them "Bob," instead of, say, "Kingslayer".
Perhaps that personality matches your character.
To return to my opening, name choice is important, but you have alternatives, once you recognize the poetry involved. I don't think readers will care, the character's name is just a hint (which you can preserve with a different name), it is the character's actions that truly define them for the reader, and what those actions imply about the character's inner life and thinking (which may also be exposed by your writing) is why they love that character. Or in the case of a villain, hate them.
I think it is a mistake to name a character after somebody you know. It puts restrictions on you for future adventures. What if you need to kill Bob Snow? What if you need to turn him to the dark side? What if he has to do something repellent to save the world? What will your friend think about that? Will you have arguments about what "Bob Snow" would or wouldn't do? Will you always have to write "Bob Snow" in a way that meets with the approval of your friend? Even if you get permanent permission from him for all future works, all of the above is still possible, lest you create resentment in your friend for portraying "him" in a bad light. He may identify with your character.
I'd find a different name. Use your imagination, that is a writer's job.
Amadeus, your points are helpful as always. His name isn't really Bob Snow, hence saying, "Let's call him Bob Snow." I didn't want to put his name in here. You are right on all points, and I have used my imagination to come up with an alternative that, I totally agree, readers won't have a problem with at all. However, I have a problem with it. It feels downright strange to me to call him by anything else. His name does have this beautiful alliteration that sounds kind and honest, fitting his character like a glove.
– GGx
4 hours ago
Fortunately, he isn't my protagonist and won't go on a journey of change. He'll remain staunch and true throughout the entire series, so while this is a very, very good point that you make, I can't see that becoming a problem in this instance. I would never want to change him. All good things to think about though. Thanks.
– GGx
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I don't think reader's necessarily like characters for their names. It is true that the poetry of some names seem to imply more altruistic, or harmless, or villainous intent. Frodo Baggins just doesn't sound like a villain, neither does Galadriel, but the Balrog sounds threatening, and Grima (aka Wormtongue, but that is a little on-the-nose) does not sound like a love interest.
But that said, I think there are an infinite number of names that will ring true and will fit for your hero and what you wish to convey. "Snow" as a poetic concept evokes purity, as do many other naturally bright white objects, including about 50 white flowers. In the 1800s Europe a wreath or string of white orange blossoms was once a very common part of a (wealthy) bride's wedding outfit, as a symbol of her purity; if they weren't in season they were made of silk.
"Bob" is a very common name, and a nickname for the more formal "Robert," so "Bob Snow" is evoking a common, casual person that is nonetheless very pure of heart. That doesn't mean they can't be special or heroic, it just means they don't present themselves to the world that way. So if they are special, they are also being non-pretentious and friendly by inviting others to call them "Bob," instead of, say, "Kingslayer".
Perhaps that personality matches your character.
To return to my opening, name choice is important, but you have alternatives, once you recognize the poetry involved. I don't think readers will care, the character's name is just a hint (which you can preserve with a different name), it is the character's actions that truly define them for the reader, and what those actions imply about the character's inner life and thinking (which may also be exposed by your writing) is why they love that character. Or in the case of a villain, hate them.
I think it is a mistake to name a character after somebody you know. It puts restrictions on you for future adventures. What if you need to kill Bob Snow? What if you need to turn him to the dark side? What if he has to do something repellent to save the world? What will your friend think about that? Will you have arguments about what "Bob Snow" would or wouldn't do? Will you always have to write "Bob Snow" in a way that meets with the approval of your friend? Even if you get permanent permission from him for all future works, all of the above is still possible, lest you create resentment in your friend for portraying "him" in a bad light. He may identify with your character.
I'd find a different name. Use your imagination, that is a writer's job.
Amadeus, your points are helpful as always. His name isn't really Bob Snow, hence saying, "Let's call him Bob Snow." I didn't want to put his name in here. You are right on all points, and I have used my imagination to come up with an alternative that, I totally agree, readers won't have a problem with at all. However, I have a problem with it. It feels downright strange to me to call him by anything else. His name does have this beautiful alliteration that sounds kind and honest, fitting his character like a glove.
– GGx
4 hours ago
Fortunately, he isn't my protagonist and won't go on a journey of change. He'll remain staunch and true throughout the entire series, so while this is a very, very good point that you make, I can't see that becoming a problem in this instance. I would never want to change him. All good things to think about though. Thanks.
– GGx
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I don't think reader's necessarily like characters for their names. It is true that the poetry of some names seem to imply more altruistic, or harmless, or villainous intent. Frodo Baggins just doesn't sound like a villain, neither does Galadriel, but the Balrog sounds threatening, and Grima (aka Wormtongue, but that is a little on-the-nose) does not sound like a love interest.
But that said, I think there are an infinite number of names that will ring true and will fit for your hero and what you wish to convey. "Snow" as a poetic concept evokes purity, as do many other naturally bright white objects, including about 50 white flowers. In the 1800s Europe a wreath or string of white orange blossoms was once a very common part of a (wealthy) bride's wedding outfit, as a symbol of her purity; if they weren't in season they were made of silk.
"Bob" is a very common name, and a nickname for the more formal "Robert," so "Bob Snow" is evoking a common, casual person that is nonetheless very pure of heart. That doesn't mean they can't be special or heroic, it just means they don't present themselves to the world that way. So if they are special, they are also being non-pretentious and friendly by inviting others to call them "Bob," instead of, say, "Kingslayer".
Perhaps that personality matches your character.
To return to my opening, name choice is important, but you have alternatives, once you recognize the poetry involved. I don't think readers will care, the character's name is just a hint (which you can preserve with a different name), it is the character's actions that truly define them for the reader, and what those actions imply about the character's inner life and thinking (which may also be exposed by your writing) is why they love that character. Or in the case of a villain, hate them.
I think it is a mistake to name a character after somebody you know. It puts restrictions on you for future adventures. What if you need to kill Bob Snow? What if you need to turn him to the dark side? What if he has to do something repellent to save the world? What will your friend think about that? Will you have arguments about what "Bob Snow" would or wouldn't do? Will you always have to write "Bob Snow" in a way that meets with the approval of your friend? Even if you get permanent permission from him for all future works, all of the above is still possible, lest you create resentment in your friend for portraying "him" in a bad light. He may identify with your character.
I'd find a different name. Use your imagination, that is a writer's job.
I don't think reader's necessarily like characters for their names. It is true that the poetry of some names seem to imply more altruistic, or harmless, or villainous intent. Frodo Baggins just doesn't sound like a villain, neither does Galadriel, but the Balrog sounds threatening, and Grima (aka Wormtongue, but that is a little on-the-nose) does not sound like a love interest.
But that said, I think there are an infinite number of names that will ring true and will fit for your hero and what you wish to convey. "Snow" as a poetic concept evokes purity, as do many other naturally bright white objects, including about 50 white flowers. In the 1800s Europe a wreath or string of white orange blossoms was once a very common part of a (wealthy) bride's wedding outfit, as a symbol of her purity; if they weren't in season they were made of silk.
"Bob" is a very common name, and a nickname for the more formal "Robert," so "Bob Snow" is evoking a common, casual person that is nonetheless very pure of heart. That doesn't mean they can't be special or heroic, it just means they don't present themselves to the world that way. So if they are special, they are also being non-pretentious and friendly by inviting others to call them "Bob," instead of, say, "Kingslayer".
Perhaps that personality matches your character.
To return to my opening, name choice is important, but you have alternatives, once you recognize the poetry involved. I don't think readers will care, the character's name is just a hint (which you can preserve with a different name), it is the character's actions that truly define them for the reader, and what those actions imply about the character's inner life and thinking (which may also be exposed by your writing) is why they love that character. Or in the case of a villain, hate them.
I think it is a mistake to name a character after somebody you know. It puts restrictions on you for future adventures. What if you need to kill Bob Snow? What if you need to turn him to the dark side? What if he has to do something repellent to save the world? What will your friend think about that? Will you have arguments about what "Bob Snow" would or wouldn't do? Will you always have to write "Bob Snow" in a way that meets with the approval of your friend? Even if you get permanent permission from him for all future works, all of the above is still possible, lest you create resentment in your friend for portraying "him" in a bad light. He may identify with your character.
I'd find a different name. Use your imagination, that is a writer's job.
answered 6 hours ago
AmadeusAmadeus
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Amadeus, your points are helpful as always. His name isn't really Bob Snow, hence saying, "Let's call him Bob Snow." I didn't want to put his name in here. You are right on all points, and I have used my imagination to come up with an alternative that, I totally agree, readers won't have a problem with at all. However, I have a problem with it. It feels downright strange to me to call him by anything else. His name does have this beautiful alliteration that sounds kind and honest, fitting his character like a glove.
– GGx
4 hours ago
Fortunately, he isn't my protagonist and won't go on a journey of change. He'll remain staunch and true throughout the entire series, so while this is a very, very good point that you make, I can't see that becoming a problem in this instance. I would never want to change him. All good things to think about though. Thanks.
– GGx
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Amadeus, your points are helpful as always. His name isn't really Bob Snow, hence saying, "Let's call him Bob Snow." I didn't want to put his name in here. You are right on all points, and I have used my imagination to come up with an alternative that, I totally agree, readers won't have a problem with at all. However, I have a problem with it. It feels downright strange to me to call him by anything else. His name does have this beautiful alliteration that sounds kind and honest, fitting his character like a glove.
– GGx
4 hours ago
Fortunately, he isn't my protagonist and won't go on a journey of change. He'll remain staunch and true throughout the entire series, so while this is a very, very good point that you make, I can't see that becoming a problem in this instance. I would never want to change him. All good things to think about though. Thanks.
– GGx
4 hours ago
Amadeus, your points are helpful as always. His name isn't really Bob Snow, hence saying, "Let's call him Bob Snow." I didn't want to put his name in here. You are right on all points, and I have used my imagination to come up with an alternative that, I totally agree, readers won't have a problem with at all. However, I have a problem with it. It feels downright strange to me to call him by anything else. His name does have this beautiful alliteration that sounds kind and honest, fitting his character like a glove.
– GGx
4 hours ago
Amadeus, your points are helpful as always. His name isn't really Bob Snow, hence saying, "Let's call him Bob Snow." I didn't want to put his name in here. You are right on all points, and I have used my imagination to come up with an alternative that, I totally agree, readers won't have a problem with at all. However, I have a problem with it. It feels downright strange to me to call him by anything else. His name does have this beautiful alliteration that sounds kind and honest, fitting his character like a glove.
– GGx
4 hours ago
Fortunately, he isn't my protagonist and won't go on a journey of change. He'll remain staunch and true throughout the entire series, so while this is a very, very good point that you make, I can't see that becoming a problem in this instance. I would never want to change him. All good things to think about though. Thanks.
– GGx
4 hours ago
Fortunately, he isn't my protagonist and won't go on a journey of change. He'll remain staunch and true throughout the entire series, so while this is a very, very good point that you make, I can't see that becoming a problem in this instance. I would never want to change him. All good things to think about though. Thanks.
– GGx
4 hours ago
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Ask Bob for his approval.
This is the easiest and fastest way to clear this up.
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Thanks Mike, if nobody on here comes up with obvious problems as to why I can't do it, I'll just get his written permission and go with it. He's such a lovely character -- every one of my female readers has said they're a little in love with him -- so I think (hope) he'll be flattered by his fictional self!
– GGx
4 hours ago
Sounds like a plan. Good luck with it @GGx
– MikeRoger
3 hours ago
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Ask Bob for his approval.
This is the easiest and fastest way to clear this up.
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Thanks Mike, if nobody on here comes up with obvious problems as to why I can't do it, I'll just get his written permission and go with it. He's such a lovely character -- every one of my female readers has said they're a little in love with him -- so I think (hope) he'll be flattered by his fictional self!
– GGx
4 hours ago
Sounds like a plan. Good luck with it @GGx
– MikeRoger
3 hours ago
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Ask Bob for his approval.
This is the easiest and fastest way to clear this up.
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Ask Bob for his approval.
This is the easiest and fastest way to clear this up.
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answered 8 hours ago
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Thanks Mike, if nobody on here comes up with obvious problems as to why I can't do it, I'll just get his written permission and go with it. He's such a lovely character -- every one of my female readers has said they're a little in love with him -- so I think (hope) he'll be flattered by his fictional self!
– GGx
4 hours ago
Sounds like a plan. Good luck with it @GGx
– MikeRoger
3 hours ago
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2
Thanks Mike, if nobody on here comes up with obvious problems as to why I can't do it, I'll just get his written permission and go with it. He's such a lovely character -- every one of my female readers has said they're a little in love with him -- so I think (hope) he'll be flattered by his fictional self!
– GGx
4 hours ago
Sounds like a plan. Good luck with it @GGx
– MikeRoger
3 hours ago
2
2
Thanks Mike, if nobody on here comes up with obvious problems as to why I can't do it, I'll just get his written permission and go with it. He's such a lovely character -- every one of my female readers has said they're a little in love with him -- so I think (hope) he'll be flattered by his fictional self!
– GGx
4 hours ago
Thanks Mike, if nobody on here comes up with obvious problems as to why I can't do it, I'll just get his written permission and go with it. He's such a lovely character -- every one of my female readers has said they're a little in love with him -- so I think (hope) he'll be flattered by his fictional self!
– GGx
4 hours ago
Sounds like a plan. Good luck with it @GGx
– MikeRoger
3 hours ago
Sounds like a plan. Good luck with it @GGx
– MikeRoger
3 hours ago
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Your question is a bit unclear, what kind of bumps are you afraid of? What could possibly go wrong because of giving a character a specific name?
– Bella Swan
8 hours ago
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Too off-topic for an answer, but an internet search should also be a formal part of naming a character – with an eye for where else the name has been used (politicians, actors, other fiction) and how easily someone could find your book knowing the character's name but not the book title.
– wetcircuit
6 hours ago
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@wetcircuit as in, you think it's an advantage if people could find my book knowing the character's name but not the book title? His name gets 96 results on Google, mostly because he's "famous" in the small circle of underwater photographers.
– GGx
4 hours ago
@BellaSwan I have no idea what bumps I could encounter by naming a character after a real person (defamation if I accidentally say something out of turn about him - though I don't plan on doing that), hence asking the question. I'm wondering if other writers will say, "I named a character after my best mate and it all went horribly wrong when XYZ happened." I can't see XYZ in the road ahead, so I'm turning to more experienced writers who may have hit bumps that I can't even imagine at this point.
– GGx
4 hours ago
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