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Numbers of Exaggeration in Talmud

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I remember seeing an early authoritative source (Rishonim, maybe a Tosfos?) that noted which numbers are always (technically not always) used by the Rabbis to indicate exaggeration in stories (60, 300, etc.), but I don't remember where I saw it. So I pose the question:

What is the earliest source you can find that identifies certain numbers as being used by Chazal as hyperbole (not just in a situation or two, but systematically), and which numbers are they?

sources-mekorot talmud-gemara number

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  It's a Gemara in Tamid 29
  
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  @רבותמחשבות I think he means 29b, regarding the Paroches. The entire Gemara from 29a discusses exaggerations in general, but side a doesn’t discuss numbers in particular.
  
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I remember seeing an early authoritative source (Rishonim, maybe a Tosfos?) that noted which numbers are always (technically not always) used by the Rabbis to indicate exaggeration in stories (60, 300, etc.), but I don't remember where I saw it. So I pose the question:

What is the earliest source you can find that identifies certain numbers as being used by Chazal as hyperbole (not just in a situation or two, but systematically), and which numbers are they?

sources-mekorot talmud-gemara number

share|improve this question

edited yesterday

רבות מחשבות

asked yesterday

רבות מחשבותרבות מחשבות

13.9k125120

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  It's a Gemara in Tamid 29
  
  – Double AA♦
  yesterday
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @רבותמחשבות I think he means 29b, regarding the Paroches. The entire Gemara from 29a discusses exaggerations in general, but side a doesn’t discuss numbers in particular.
  
  – DonielF
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I tried to edit to clarify (@DoubleAA) if you feel like you have an answer, post it
  
  – רבות מחשבות
  yesterday
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Related: judaism.stackexchange.com/a/82632
  
  – Fred
  19 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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I remember seeing an early authoritative source (Rishonim, maybe a Tosfos?) that noted which numbers are always (technically not always) used by the Rabbis to indicate exaggeration in stories (60, 300, etc.), but I don't remember where I saw it. So I pose the question:

What is the earliest source you can find that identifies certain numbers as being used by Chazal as hyperbole (not just in a situation or two, but systematically), and which numbers are they?

sources-mekorot talmud-gemara number

share|improve this question

edited yesterday

רבות מחשבות

asked yesterday

רבות מחשבותרבות מחשבות

13.9k125120

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edited yesterday

רבות מחשבות

asked yesterday

רבות מחשבותרבות מחשבות

13.9k125120

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edited yesterday

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רבות מחשבותרבות מחשבות

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Maharsha in Bechoros Daf 57b quotes a Tosfos not sure where the Tosfos is.

וטבעה ס' כרכים כו' גוזמא קאמר כמ"ש התוספות בכמה דוכתי דמנין ס' בכל
מקום לאו דוקא

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As noted in this answer by Moshe Steinberg, Rashbam on Pesachim 119a writes that three hundred is always used as an inexact number throughout the Talmud.

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See Mevo Hatalmud by R. Tzvi Hirsch Chajes (perek #30) who brings several sources stating that many numbers are hyperbolic.

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  Excellent, that's where I originally read this, now that I think about it. +1
  
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Maharsha in Bechoros Daf 57b quotes a Tosfos not sure where the Tosfos is.

וטבעה ס' כרכים כו' גוזמא קאמר כמ"ש התוספות בכמה דוכתי דמנין ס' בכל
מקום לאו דוקא

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  Thanks, that works, but I won't accept it in case people come up with better ones. +1
  
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  23 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

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Maharsha in Bechoros Daf 57b quotes a Tosfos not sure where the Tosfos is.

וטבעה ס' כרכים כו' גוזמא קאמר כמ"ש התוספות בכמה דוכתי דמנין ס' בכל
מקום לאו דוקא

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edited 21 hours ago

Loewian

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answered 23 hours ago

user218076user218076

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  Thanks, that works, but I won't accept it in case people come up with better ones. +1
  
  – רבות מחשבות
  23 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

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Maharsha in Bechoros Daf 57b quotes a Tosfos not sure where the Tosfos is.

וטבעה ס' כרכים כו' גוזמא קאמר כמ"ש התוספות בכמה דוכתי דמנין ס' בכל
מקום לאו דוקא

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edited 21 hours ago

Loewian

12k11544

answered 23 hours ago

user218076user218076

49927

edited 21 hours ago

Loewian

12k11544

edited 21 hours ago

Loewian

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answered 23 hours ago

user218076user218076

49927

answered 23 hours ago

user218076user218076

49927

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As noted in this answer by Moshe Steinberg, Rashbam on Pesachim 119a writes that three hundred is always used as an inexact number throughout the Talmud.

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answered 13 hours ago

Joel KJoel K

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  +1, although technically it can be rounded rather than an exaggeration...
  
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As noted in this answer by Moshe Steinberg, Rashbam on Pesachim 119a writes that three hundred is always used as an inexact number throughout the Talmud.

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answered 13 hours ago

Joel KJoel K

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  +1, although technically it can be rounded rather than an exaggeration...
  
  – רבות מחשבות
  13 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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As noted in this answer by Moshe Steinberg, Rashbam on Pesachim 119a writes that three hundred is always used as an inexact number throughout the Talmud.

share|improve this answer

answered 13 hours ago

Joel KJoel K

13k22693

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answered 13 hours ago

Joel KJoel K

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answered 13 hours ago

Joel KJoel K

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answered 13 hours ago

Joel KJoel K

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See Mevo Hatalmud by R. Tzvi Hirsch Chajes (perek #30) who brings several sources stating that many numbers are hyperbolic.

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answered 12 hours ago

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  Excellent, that's where I originally read this, now that I think about it. +1
  
  – רבות מחשבות
  12 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

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See Mevo Hatalmud by R. Tzvi Hirsch Chajes (perek #30) who brings several sources stating that many numbers are hyperbolic.

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answered 12 hours ago

Renato GrunRenato Grun

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Excellent, that's where I originally read this, now that I think about it. +1
  
  – רבות מחשבות
  12 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

See Mevo Hatalmud by R. Tzvi Hirsch Chajes (perek #30) who brings several sources stating that many numbers are hyperbolic.

share|improve this answer

answered 12 hours ago

Renato GrunRenato Grun

4,29211241

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answered 12 hours ago

Renato GrunRenato Grun

4,29211241

answered 12 hours ago

Renato GrunRenato Grun

4,29211241

answered 12 hours ago

Renato GrunRenato Grun

4,29211241