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Using mt2pro with times: PARENS{…} vs left(…right)
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If I use the command PARENS{.....}
with mtpro2
(green color into the figure in attachment) for to obtain a perfect brace curve (round bracket) I have 1 (one) problem:
the first and the second line of the fractions of the first equal are aligned and they have the same thick (you can see the two red rectangles).
But the line of the third fraction (green color) is not perfectly aligned with the previous fractions (infact two are below and the third is above) and the thick is different of the previous red fractions. To create a correct fraction with the two parens at the same distance with the command PARENS{.....}
, using the package mtpro2
, I have added a matrix
, the command phantom{Z}
and hspace{-.3cm}
(you can see the green color).
Is there a different idea or solution to obtain of the perfect aligned fractions, with the same thick and perfect PARENS (...)
(round brackets) so as when I use the command left(....right)
?
documentclass[12pt]{book}
usepackage{times}
usepackage[lite]{mtpro2}
usepackage{classico}
usepackage{mathtools}
begin{document}
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
begin{equation}
begin{aligned}
overline F =frac{doverline p}{dt}&=\
&=frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}frac{doverline u}{dt}+moverline uPARENS{begin{matrix}phantom{Z}&\
dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} hspace{-.3cm}end{matrix}}=\
&=frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}},overline a +frac{overline u}{c^2}frac{d}{dt}left(dfrac{mc^2}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}right)\
end{aligned}
end{equation}
end{document}
brackets fractions times mtpro
add a comment |
If I use the command PARENS{.....}
with mtpro2
(green color into the figure in attachment) for to obtain a perfect brace curve (round bracket) I have 1 (one) problem:
the first and the second line of the fractions of the first equal are aligned and they have the same thick (you can see the two red rectangles).
But the line of the third fraction (green color) is not perfectly aligned with the previous fractions (infact two are below and the third is above) and the thick is different of the previous red fractions. To create a correct fraction with the two parens at the same distance with the command PARENS{.....}
, using the package mtpro2
, I have added a matrix
, the command phantom{Z}
and hspace{-.3cm}
(you can see the green color).
Is there a different idea or solution to obtain of the perfect aligned fractions, with the same thick and perfect PARENS (...)
(round brackets) so as when I use the command left(....right)
?
documentclass[12pt]{book}
usepackage{times}
usepackage[lite]{mtpro2}
usepackage{classico}
usepackage{mathtools}
begin{document}
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
begin{equation}
begin{aligned}
overline F =frac{doverline p}{dt}&=\
&=frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}frac{doverline u}{dt}+moverline uPARENS{begin{matrix}phantom{Z}&\
dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} hspace{-.3cm}end{matrix}}=\
&=frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}},overline a +frac{overline u}{c^2}frac{d}{dt}left(dfrac{mc^2}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}right)\
end{aligned}
end{equation}
end{document}
brackets fractions times mtpro
3
Good question with a probably disappointing answer: the code forPARENS
is a big collection of low level hacks and fixing that issue would mean add some more after a few days' work (assuming a solution can be found in a finite amount of time).
– egreg
Jan 19 '18 at 7:34
Thanks a lot, always, for your comments. I never imagined that there were such problems.
– Sebastiano
Jan 19 '18 at 7:36
2
To the downvoter: If you do not explain/comment why the question is wrong, the downvote itself is meaningless.
– yo'
Jan 21 '18 at 20:39
add a comment |
If I use the command PARENS{.....}
with mtpro2
(green color into the figure in attachment) for to obtain a perfect brace curve (round bracket) I have 1 (one) problem:
the first and the second line of the fractions of the first equal are aligned and they have the same thick (you can see the two red rectangles).
But the line of the third fraction (green color) is not perfectly aligned with the previous fractions (infact two are below and the third is above) and the thick is different of the previous red fractions. To create a correct fraction with the two parens at the same distance with the command PARENS{.....}
, using the package mtpro2
, I have added a matrix
, the command phantom{Z}
and hspace{-.3cm}
(you can see the green color).
Is there a different idea or solution to obtain of the perfect aligned fractions, with the same thick and perfect PARENS (...)
(round brackets) so as when I use the command left(....right)
?
documentclass[12pt]{book}
usepackage{times}
usepackage[lite]{mtpro2}
usepackage{classico}
usepackage{mathtools}
begin{document}
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
begin{equation}
begin{aligned}
overline F =frac{doverline p}{dt}&=\
&=frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}frac{doverline u}{dt}+moverline uPARENS{begin{matrix}phantom{Z}&\
dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} hspace{-.3cm}end{matrix}}=\
&=frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}},overline a +frac{overline u}{c^2}frac{d}{dt}left(dfrac{mc^2}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}right)\
end{aligned}
end{equation}
end{document}
brackets fractions times mtpro
If I use the command PARENS{.....}
with mtpro2
(green color into the figure in attachment) for to obtain a perfect brace curve (round bracket) I have 1 (one) problem:
the first and the second line of the fractions of the first equal are aligned and they have the same thick (you can see the two red rectangles).
But the line of the third fraction (green color) is not perfectly aligned with the previous fractions (infact two are below and the third is above) and the thick is different of the previous red fractions. To create a correct fraction with the two parens at the same distance with the command PARENS{.....}
, using the package mtpro2
, I have added a matrix
, the command phantom{Z}
and hspace{-.3cm}
(you can see the green color).
Is there a different idea or solution to obtain of the perfect aligned fractions, with the same thick and perfect PARENS (...)
(round brackets) so as when I use the command left(....right)
?
documentclass[12pt]{book}
usepackage{times}
usepackage[lite]{mtpro2}
usepackage{classico}
usepackage{mathtools}
begin{document}
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
begin{equation}
begin{aligned}
overline F =frac{doverline p}{dt}&=\
&=frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}frac{doverline u}{dt}+moverline uPARENS{begin{matrix}phantom{Z}&\
dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} hspace{-.3cm}end{matrix}}=\
&=frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}},overline a +frac{overline u}{c^2}frac{d}{dt}left(dfrac{mc^2}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}right)\
end{aligned}
end{equation}
end{document}
brackets fractions times mtpro
brackets fractions times mtpro
edited Jan 19 '18 at 20:41
Sebastiano
asked Jan 19 '18 at 7:16
SebastianoSebastiano
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3
Good question with a probably disappointing answer: the code forPARENS
is a big collection of low level hacks and fixing that issue would mean add some more after a few days' work (assuming a solution can be found in a finite amount of time).
– egreg
Jan 19 '18 at 7:34
Thanks a lot, always, for your comments. I never imagined that there were such problems.
– Sebastiano
Jan 19 '18 at 7:36
2
To the downvoter: If you do not explain/comment why the question is wrong, the downvote itself is meaningless.
– yo'
Jan 21 '18 at 20:39
add a comment |
3
Good question with a probably disappointing answer: the code forPARENS
is a big collection of low level hacks and fixing that issue would mean add some more after a few days' work (assuming a solution can be found in a finite amount of time).
– egreg
Jan 19 '18 at 7:34
Thanks a lot, always, for your comments. I never imagined that there were such problems.
– Sebastiano
Jan 19 '18 at 7:36
2
To the downvoter: If you do not explain/comment why the question is wrong, the downvote itself is meaningless.
– yo'
Jan 21 '18 at 20:39
3
3
Good question with a probably disappointing answer: the code for
PARENS
is a big collection of low level hacks and fixing that issue would mean add some more after a few days' work (assuming a solution can be found in a finite amount of time).– egreg
Jan 19 '18 at 7:34
Good question with a probably disappointing answer: the code for
PARENS
is a big collection of low level hacks and fixing that issue would mean add some more after a few days' work (assuming a solution can be found in a finite amount of time).– egreg
Jan 19 '18 at 7:34
Thanks a lot, always, for your comments. I never imagined that there were such problems.
– Sebastiano
Jan 19 '18 at 7:36
Thanks a lot, always, for your comments. I never imagined that there were such problems.
– Sebastiano
Jan 19 '18 at 7:36
2
2
To the downvoter: If you do not explain/comment why the question is wrong, the downvote itself is meaningless.
– yo'
Jan 21 '18 at 20:39
To the downvoter: If you do not explain/comment why the question is wrong, the downvote itself is meaningless.
– yo'
Jan 21 '18 at 20:39
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The thickness just appears to be different (probably due to how each pixel is rendered on screen). It should be fine if you print them out.
The PARENS
command puts its content in a vcenter
, thus, it will ignore the positioning of the content’s baseline and the surrounding baseline. We can use some low-level box tricks to make the content symmetric with respect to the math axis, so that the two baselines are the same. The new command is called symmPARENS
.
documentclass[12pt]{book}
usepackage{mathtools} % Load this early
%usepackage{times}
usepackage{newtxtext} % This is better :)
usepackage[lite]{mtpro2}
% Low-level hacks:
makeatletter
newsaveboxmtp@symm@box % The box to be made symmetric
% User level command:
newcommand*symmPARENS[1]{%
setboxmtp@symm@boxhbox{$m@thdisplaystyle#1$}%
dimen@dpmtp@symm@box
advancedimen@fontdimen22textfonttw@ % dimen@ is the length from the math axis to the bottom
dimen@iihtmtp@symm@box
advancedimen@ii-fontdimen22textfonttw@ % dimen@ii is the length from the math axis to the top
ifdimdimen@>dimen@ii
advancedimen@fontdimen22textfonttw@
htmtp@symm@boxdimen@ % Make mtp@symm@box higher
else
advancedimen@ii-fontdimen22textfonttw@
dpmtp@symm@boxdimen@ii % Make mtp@symm@box deeper
fi
PARENS{copymtp@symm@box}%
}
makeatother
begin{document}
noindent
With verb|PARENS|, not so good:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ m wbar{u} PARENS{dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}}
end{equation}
With verb|symmPARENS|, centered, but not aesthetically pleasing:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ m wbar{u} symmPARENS{dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}}
end{equation}
Why not:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= gamma m frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ gamma m wbar{u},
quad text{where } gamma = dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}
end{equation}
Please don't abuse verb|symmPARENS|:
begin{equation}
frac{1}{2} f(xi) = frac{1}{2} symmPARENS{frac{displaystyleint_a^b f(x) , dx}{b-a}}
text{ versus }
frac{1}{2} f(xi) = frac{1}{2} symmPARENS{frac{1}{b-a} displaystyleint_a^b f(x) , dx}
end{equation}
end{document}
Seriously, though, I would just write Eq. (3) instead.
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The thickness just appears to be different (probably due to how each pixel is rendered on screen). It should be fine if you print them out.
The PARENS
command puts its content in a vcenter
, thus, it will ignore the positioning of the content’s baseline and the surrounding baseline. We can use some low-level box tricks to make the content symmetric with respect to the math axis, so that the two baselines are the same. The new command is called symmPARENS
.
documentclass[12pt]{book}
usepackage{mathtools} % Load this early
%usepackage{times}
usepackage{newtxtext} % This is better :)
usepackage[lite]{mtpro2}
% Low-level hacks:
makeatletter
newsaveboxmtp@symm@box % The box to be made symmetric
% User level command:
newcommand*symmPARENS[1]{%
setboxmtp@symm@boxhbox{$m@thdisplaystyle#1$}%
dimen@dpmtp@symm@box
advancedimen@fontdimen22textfonttw@ % dimen@ is the length from the math axis to the bottom
dimen@iihtmtp@symm@box
advancedimen@ii-fontdimen22textfonttw@ % dimen@ii is the length from the math axis to the top
ifdimdimen@>dimen@ii
advancedimen@fontdimen22textfonttw@
htmtp@symm@boxdimen@ % Make mtp@symm@box higher
else
advancedimen@ii-fontdimen22textfonttw@
dpmtp@symm@boxdimen@ii % Make mtp@symm@box deeper
fi
PARENS{copymtp@symm@box}%
}
makeatother
begin{document}
noindent
With verb|PARENS|, not so good:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ m wbar{u} PARENS{dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}}
end{equation}
With verb|symmPARENS|, centered, but not aesthetically pleasing:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ m wbar{u} symmPARENS{dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}}
end{equation}
Why not:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= gamma m frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ gamma m wbar{u},
quad text{where } gamma = dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}
end{equation}
Please don't abuse verb|symmPARENS|:
begin{equation}
frac{1}{2} f(xi) = frac{1}{2} symmPARENS{frac{displaystyleint_a^b f(x) , dx}{b-a}}
text{ versus }
frac{1}{2} f(xi) = frac{1}{2} symmPARENS{frac{1}{b-a} displaystyleint_a^b f(x) , dx}
end{equation}
end{document}
Seriously, though, I would just write Eq. (3) instead.
add a comment |
The thickness just appears to be different (probably due to how each pixel is rendered on screen). It should be fine if you print them out.
The PARENS
command puts its content in a vcenter
, thus, it will ignore the positioning of the content’s baseline and the surrounding baseline. We can use some low-level box tricks to make the content symmetric with respect to the math axis, so that the two baselines are the same. The new command is called symmPARENS
.
documentclass[12pt]{book}
usepackage{mathtools} % Load this early
%usepackage{times}
usepackage{newtxtext} % This is better :)
usepackage[lite]{mtpro2}
% Low-level hacks:
makeatletter
newsaveboxmtp@symm@box % The box to be made symmetric
% User level command:
newcommand*symmPARENS[1]{%
setboxmtp@symm@boxhbox{$m@thdisplaystyle#1$}%
dimen@dpmtp@symm@box
advancedimen@fontdimen22textfonttw@ % dimen@ is the length from the math axis to the bottom
dimen@iihtmtp@symm@box
advancedimen@ii-fontdimen22textfonttw@ % dimen@ii is the length from the math axis to the top
ifdimdimen@>dimen@ii
advancedimen@fontdimen22textfonttw@
htmtp@symm@boxdimen@ % Make mtp@symm@box higher
else
advancedimen@ii-fontdimen22textfonttw@
dpmtp@symm@boxdimen@ii % Make mtp@symm@box deeper
fi
PARENS{copymtp@symm@box}%
}
makeatother
begin{document}
noindent
With verb|PARENS|, not so good:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ m wbar{u} PARENS{dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}}
end{equation}
With verb|symmPARENS|, centered, but not aesthetically pleasing:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ m wbar{u} symmPARENS{dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}}
end{equation}
Why not:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= gamma m frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ gamma m wbar{u},
quad text{where } gamma = dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}
end{equation}
Please don't abuse verb|symmPARENS|:
begin{equation}
frac{1}{2} f(xi) = frac{1}{2} symmPARENS{frac{displaystyleint_a^b f(x) , dx}{b-a}}
text{ versus }
frac{1}{2} f(xi) = frac{1}{2} symmPARENS{frac{1}{b-a} displaystyleint_a^b f(x) , dx}
end{equation}
end{document}
Seriously, though, I would just write Eq. (3) instead.
add a comment |
The thickness just appears to be different (probably due to how each pixel is rendered on screen). It should be fine if you print them out.
The PARENS
command puts its content in a vcenter
, thus, it will ignore the positioning of the content’s baseline and the surrounding baseline. We can use some low-level box tricks to make the content symmetric with respect to the math axis, so that the two baselines are the same. The new command is called symmPARENS
.
documentclass[12pt]{book}
usepackage{mathtools} % Load this early
%usepackage{times}
usepackage{newtxtext} % This is better :)
usepackage[lite]{mtpro2}
% Low-level hacks:
makeatletter
newsaveboxmtp@symm@box % The box to be made symmetric
% User level command:
newcommand*symmPARENS[1]{%
setboxmtp@symm@boxhbox{$m@thdisplaystyle#1$}%
dimen@dpmtp@symm@box
advancedimen@fontdimen22textfonttw@ % dimen@ is the length from the math axis to the bottom
dimen@iihtmtp@symm@box
advancedimen@ii-fontdimen22textfonttw@ % dimen@ii is the length from the math axis to the top
ifdimdimen@>dimen@ii
advancedimen@fontdimen22textfonttw@
htmtp@symm@boxdimen@ % Make mtp@symm@box higher
else
advancedimen@ii-fontdimen22textfonttw@
dpmtp@symm@boxdimen@ii % Make mtp@symm@box deeper
fi
PARENS{copymtp@symm@box}%
}
makeatother
begin{document}
noindent
With verb|PARENS|, not so good:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ m wbar{u} PARENS{dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}}
end{equation}
With verb|symmPARENS|, centered, but not aesthetically pleasing:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ m wbar{u} symmPARENS{dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}}
end{equation}
Why not:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= gamma m frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ gamma m wbar{u},
quad text{where } gamma = dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}
end{equation}
Please don't abuse verb|symmPARENS|:
begin{equation}
frac{1}{2} f(xi) = frac{1}{2} symmPARENS{frac{displaystyleint_a^b f(x) , dx}{b-a}}
text{ versus }
frac{1}{2} f(xi) = frac{1}{2} symmPARENS{frac{1}{b-a} displaystyleint_a^b f(x) , dx}
end{equation}
end{document}
Seriously, though, I would just write Eq. (3) instead.
The thickness just appears to be different (probably due to how each pixel is rendered on screen). It should be fine if you print them out.
The PARENS
command puts its content in a vcenter
, thus, it will ignore the positioning of the content’s baseline and the surrounding baseline. We can use some low-level box tricks to make the content symmetric with respect to the math axis, so that the two baselines are the same. The new command is called symmPARENS
.
documentclass[12pt]{book}
usepackage{mathtools} % Load this early
%usepackage{times}
usepackage{newtxtext} % This is better :)
usepackage[lite]{mtpro2}
% Low-level hacks:
makeatletter
newsaveboxmtp@symm@box % The box to be made symmetric
% User level command:
newcommand*symmPARENS[1]{%
setboxmtp@symm@boxhbox{$m@thdisplaystyle#1$}%
dimen@dpmtp@symm@box
advancedimen@fontdimen22textfonttw@ % dimen@ is the length from the math axis to the bottom
dimen@iihtmtp@symm@box
advancedimen@ii-fontdimen22textfonttw@ % dimen@ii is the length from the math axis to the top
ifdimdimen@>dimen@ii
advancedimen@fontdimen22textfonttw@
htmtp@symm@boxdimen@ % Make mtp@symm@box higher
else
advancedimen@ii-fontdimen22textfonttw@
dpmtp@symm@boxdimen@ii % Make mtp@symm@box deeper
fi
PARENS{copymtp@symm@box}%
}
makeatother
begin{document}
noindent
With verb|PARENS|, not so good:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ m wbar{u} PARENS{dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}}
end{equation}
With verb|symmPARENS|, centered, but not aesthetically pleasing:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= frac{m}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}} frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ m wbar{u} symmPARENS{dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}}
end{equation}
Why not:
begin{equation}
wbar{F} = frac{d wbar{p}}{dt}
= gamma m frac{d wbar{u}}{dt}
+ gamma m wbar{u},
quad text{where } gamma = dfrac{1}{sqrt{1-dfrac{u^2}{c^2}}}
end{equation}
Please don't abuse verb|symmPARENS|:
begin{equation}
frac{1}{2} f(xi) = frac{1}{2} symmPARENS{frac{displaystyleint_a^b f(x) , dx}{b-a}}
text{ versus }
frac{1}{2} f(xi) = frac{1}{2} symmPARENS{frac{1}{b-a} displaystyleint_a^b f(x) , dx}
end{equation}
end{document}
Seriously, though, I would just write Eq. (3) instead.
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Good question with a probably disappointing answer: the code for
PARENS
is a big collection of low level hacks and fixing that issue would mean add some more after a few days' work (assuming a solution can be found in a finite amount of time).– egreg
Jan 19 '18 at 7:34
Thanks a lot, always, for your comments. I never imagined that there were such problems.
– Sebastiano
Jan 19 '18 at 7:36
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To the downvoter: If you do not explain/comment why the question is wrong, the downvote itself is meaningless.
– yo'
Jan 21 '18 at 20:39