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I am having a hard time understanding what differentiates the two types of slip. I understand that in a forward slip, the longitudinal axis is tilted with respect to the flight path, whereas in a side slip it is not. In a forward slip your track stays the same, whereas in a side slip it would (in the absence of wind) cause you to track toward the down wing.



My difficulty comes from the fact that the control inputs needed to enter both are the same: banking with opposite rudder.



Why then is the heading of the aircraft with respect to the flight path different, if the control inputs are the same? Is it just a question of degree, which is to say, the forward slip just requires more rudder?










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    I am having a hard time understanding what differentiates the two types of slip. I understand that in a forward slip, the longitudinal axis is tilted with respect to the flight path, whereas in a side slip it is not. In a forward slip your track stays the same, whereas in a side slip it would (in the absence of wind) cause you to track toward the down wing.



    My difficulty comes from the fact that the control inputs needed to enter both are the same: banking with opposite rudder.



    Why then is the heading of the aircraft with respect to the flight path different, if the control inputs are the same? Is it just a question of degree, which is to say, the forward slip just requires more rudder?










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      I am having a hard time understanding what differentiates the two types of slip. I understand that in a forward slip, the longitudinal axis is tilted with respect to the flight path, whereas in a side slip it is not. In a forward slip your track stays the same, whereas in a side slip it would (in the absence of wind) cause you to track toward the down wing.



      My difficulty comes from the fact that the control inputs needed to enter both are the same: banking with opposite rudder.



      Why then is the heading of the aircraft with respect to the flight path different, if the control inputs are the same? Is it just a question of degree, which is to say, the forward slip just requires more rudder?










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      I am having a hard time understanding what differentiates the two types of slip. I understand that in a forward slip, the longitudinal axis is tilted with respect to the flight path, whereas in a side slip it is not. In a forward slip your track stays the same, whereas in a side slip it would (in the absence of wind) cause you to track toward the down wing.



      My difficulty comes from the fact that the control inputs needed to enter both are the same: banking with opposite rudder.



      Why then is the heading of the aircraft with respect to the flight path different, if the control inputs are the same? Is it just a question of degree, which is to say, the forward slip just requires more rudder?







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          There is no difference aerodynamically. The only difference is in intention and presence of the wind. The airplane does not care about the ground track, all it feels is the movement through the air. Both side- and forward-slip make the airplane fly slightly sideways through the air, somewhere in the direction between nose and downwards pointing wing.



          If there is no wind, your ground track will be exactly the same, between wing and nose, and you will feel that the nose points away from your track and call it forward-slip. If the wind is blowing and you manage the right amount of slip, you are moving sideways through the air, but the ground track (combination of wind- and slip- movement) can be aligned exactly with the nose and you call it side-slip.



          There is really no difference aerodynamically and thus no difference in applied controls either.






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            So it is a problem of reference frames more than anything. The important reference frame (the air) being invisible makes them look different when in fact they are the same thing. Thanks!
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            This is correct, and makes a clear distinction between airflow and wind. The aircraft encounters only airflow and has no concept of 'wind' - the only thing that knows of wind is you, seeing the ground go sideways. The air through which you are flying is still. The still air through which you fly, is being carried across the ground. The latter situation is what wind causes.
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          The difference is in application. First, the forward slip (my favorite). The inputs (for a 172) are full rudder and opposite aileron as needed to hold straight path. This is cross controlled, but safe if you maintain a healthy margin above stall. I did mine at 65 knots. The purpose is to increase drag, producing a faster rate of descent for a given airspeed.



          A side slip is used to hold your track in a cross wind. Here you aileron (drop wing) into wind as needed to stop being pushed sideways, using opposite rudder to control "weather vaning" of tail, and a tad more up elevator. This is where you want to be just prior to touchdown. Again cross controlled.



          These are best practiced at altitude first, as different aircraft have different cross controlled stall characteristics. The 172 produced some tail oscillation in a forward slip with flaps down, but, especially at 65 knots, got me home every time.






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            I understand the difference in application. What I don't understand is how the same control inputs can cause both situations. How can the same control inputs end up causing two very different attitudes?
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            They are not the same. Think of what you are doing. In a forward slip you skid the plane sideways for more drag, using opposite aileron to keep it from turning. In a side slip you roll the plane into the wind to hold a ground track, and use opposite rudder to keep the nose on that track. You will better understand it with some practice. It was confusing to me at first as well.
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            It sounds to me like the main difference between the two situations you describe are the order in which you named the control inputs. Ignoring the external situation (wind), it sounds like they are the same practical thing, and what actually differentiates them is context. Isa this accurate?
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            @KBriggs sounds like you really want to compartmentalize this issue, I guess as "cross controlled" flight. The only thing I can add is when you fly, you cannot ignore the external situation, in fact, you are a part of it. Your control inputs are to make the plane do something, depending on the external situation and your flight plan. You side slip to hold ground track against a cross wind. You forward slip to increase drag for a steeper rate of descent, a bit like adding flaps. What confused me was they were both called "slips".
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            @KBriggs you are correct in that the control inputs are the same, and the resulting action of the aircraft is the same. The only difference is the presence of wind, which affects only your ground track, and cannot affect the flight characteristics of the aircraft. Refer to the answer of Martin above.
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          Forward slip and side slip are the same. It's just the objective, degree of control input, and alignment of the nose is different. Forward slips are to lose altitude. Side slips are to compensate for lateral drift while landing.



          In a forward slip your path through the air is more or less the same as before you started the slip. In a side slip your path is skewed laterally (kind of a forward slip with insufficient input).



          Whether it's forward or side slip depends on the amount of control inputs. A forward slip has enough rudder to point the nose to the side, with opposite bank to prevent turning, so that your path continues straight ahead in the absence of a crosswind.



          A side slip uses rudder to keep the nose aligned with the original heading, and with bank applied to let the airplane "slide downhill" so to speak, into wind, the result being the airplane tracks along the ground where the nose is pointed even though there is a crosswind.






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            Sideslip and forward slip are actually the same thing. They are both intentional cross controlled, unbalanced flight. The only difference is where the runway is oriented with respect to the aircraft's attitude, and the reason for executing the slip.



            In what is being called a "forward slip", (used to lose altitude without gaining airspeed) the winds are approximately straight down the runway, so the aircraft attitude must be cocked to the side to keep the flight path lined up with centerline as the aircraft actually sideslips at an angle towards landing.



            In a crosswind situation the reverse is true: The aircraft's flight path relative to the wind is into the direction the wind is coming from, (angle of bank into the wind to keep from drifting) but the aircraft is cross controlled with rudder to keep the nose lined up with centerline.



            The aircraft's attitude with respect to the relative wind is the same in either case. Any time an aircraft is in unbalanced flight it is slipping both forward and sideways to some extent. The only difference is whether you are compensating for a crosswind or not, and where the runway is on your windscreen.






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              Forward and Side-slips are not quite the same although they are very similar.



              When a plane is put into a slip it tries to roll out of the slip. For example if I apply right rudder this puts me in a left slip (relative wind hits the airplane from the left) and the plane will try to roll right. This is called slip-roll coupling. Also the slip will try and turn the plane in what John Denker calls a "boat turn" in his book.



              In a forward slip, the turning tendency by the slip ("boat turn") is exactly counteracted by the bank of the wings (what John Denker calls a "momentum turn") so that the airplane does not turn. This means that the ground track remains the same but that the airplane will be in a high drag / low lift situation that allows the plane to lose altitude without gaining airspeed.



              Side-Slips are similar except that the turning tendency of the wings and resulting slip are not equal so that the airplane will try to maintain a constant heading while in a slip. This is useful in a cross-wind landing where the cross-wind will try to blow the plane off center line if you not crabbed and trying to keep the nose aligned with the center line. The correct for the crosswind the airplane has to turn into the wind while keeping the nose aligned with the center line. This is accomplished by having a larger bank ("momentum turn") than degree of slip ("boat turn") so a little less rudder is applied in a side-slip than in a forward slip. Side-slips are usually defined as maintaining a constant heading during the duration of the slip.



              In both instances you are cross controlled its just that in the slide-slip you will use a little less rudder.



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                Forward slip, you're basically pulling the nose up and coming in pre-stall, but wings level, except for maybe some wind correction.



                https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/july/flight-training-magazine/technique-forward-slip



                In a side-slip, you're turning the plane much more sideways and using the side of the fuselage to create a draggy profile.



                http://www.studyflight.com/side-slip/



                I prefer side slip, especially if push the tail left, gives a great view out the pilot side of the plane. Not so good a view from the other side.



                If I'm coming in to someplace new with no glide slope indicators, I tend to come in high, and make up for with sideslip to kill speed & lose altitude.






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                  I think you have those backwards: side slip is for crosswind landings and forward slip is for when you're high/fast.
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                  In either case, it's not answering the question asked, which was how you end up with two very different flight attitudes arising from the same control inputs.
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                  I prefer sideslip for high & fast for better visibity. Both are tools a pilot should be able to use. Crosswind, flying in a crab can be better - getting the wind-side wing low and tracking centerline using the rudder. Depends how strong the winds are.
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                There is no difference aerodynamically. The only difference is in intention and presence of the wind. The airplane does not care about the ground track, all it feels is the movement through the air. Both side- and forward-slip make the airplane fly slightly sideways through the air, somewhere in the direction between nose and downwards pointing wing.



                If there is no wind, your ground track will be exactly the same, between wing and nose, and you will feel that the nose points away from your track and call it forward-slip. If the wind is blowing and you manage the right amount of slip, you are moving sideways through the air, but the ground track (combination of wind- and slip- movement) can be aligned exactly with the nose and you call it side-slip.



                There is really no difference aerodynamically and thus no difference in applied controls either.






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                  So it is a problem of reference frames more than anything. The important reference frame (the air) being invisible makes them look different when in fact they are the same thing. Thanks!
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                  This is correct, and makes a clear distinction between airflow and wind. The aircraft encounters only airflow and has no concept of 'wind' - the only thing that knows of wind is you, seeing the ground go sideways. The air through which you are flying is still. The still air through which you fly, is being carried across the ground. The latter situation is what wind causes.
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                There is no difference aerodynamically. The only difference is in intention and presence of the wind. The airplane does not care about the ground track, all it feels is the movement through the air. Both side- and forward-slip make the airplane fly slightly sideways through the air, somewhere in the direction between nose and downwards pointing wing.



                If there is no wind, your ground track will be exactly the same, between wing and nose, and you will feel that the nose points away from your track and call it forward-slip. If the wind is blowing and you manage the right amount of slip, you are moving sideways through the air, but the ground track (combination of wind- and slip- movement) can be aligned exactly with the nose and you call it side-slip.



                There is really no difference aerodynamically and thus no difference in applied controls either.






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                  So it is a problem of reference frames more than anything. The important reference frame (the air) being invisible makes them look different when in fact they are the same thing. Thanks!
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                  This is correct, and makes a clear distinction between airflow and wind. The aircraft encounters only airflow and has no concept of 'wind' - the only thing that knows of wind is you, seeing the ground go sideways. The air through which you are flying is still. The still air through which you fly, is being carried across the ground. The latter situation is what wind causes.
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                There is no difference aerodynamically. The only difference is in intention and presence of the wind. The airplane does not care about the ground track, all it feels is the movement through the air. Both side- and forward-slip make the airplane fly slightly sideways through the air, somewhere in the direction between nose and downwards pointing wing.



                If there is no wind, your ground track will be exactly the same, between wing and nose, and you will feel that the nose points away from your track and call it forward-slip. If the wind is blowing and you manage the right amount of slip, you are moving sideways through the air, but the ground track (combination of wind- and slip- movement) can be aligned exactly with the nose and you call it side-slip.



                There is really no difference aerodynamically and thus no difference in applied controls either.






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                There is no difference aerodynamically. The only difference is in intention and presence of the wind. The airplane does not care about the ground track, all it feels is the movement through the air. Both side- and forward-slip make the airplane fly slightly sideways through the air, somewhere in the direction between nose and downwards pointing wing.



                If there is no wind, your ground track will be exactly the same, between wing and nose, and you will feel that the nose points away from your track and call it forward-slip. If the wind is blowing and you manage the right amount of slip, you are moving sideways through the air, but the ground track (combination of wind- and slip- movement) can be aligned exactly with the nose and you call it side-slip.



                There is really no difference aerodynamically and thus no difference in applied controls either.







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                  So it is a problem of reference frames more than anything. The important reference frame (the air) being invisible makes them look different when in fact they are the same thing. Thanks!
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                  This is correct, and makes a clear distinction between airflow and wind. The aircraft encounters only airflow and has no concept of 'wind' - the only thing that knows of wind is you, seeing the ground go sideways. The air through which you are flying is still. The still air through which you fly, is being carried across the ground. The latter situation is what wind causes.
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                  So it is a problem of reference frames more than anything. The important reference frame (the air) being invisible makes them look different when in fact they are the same thing. Thanks!
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                  This is correct, and makes a clear distinction between airflow and wind. The aircraft encounters only airflow and has no concept of 'wind' - the only thing that knows of wind is you, seeing the ground go sideways. The air through which you are flying is still. The still air through which you fly, is being carried across the ground. The latter situation is what wind causes.
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                So it is a problem of reference frames more than anything. The important reference frame (the air) being invisible makes them look different when in fact they are the same thing. Thanks!
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                $begingroup$
                So it is a problem of reference frames more than anything. The important reference frame (the air) being invisible makes them look different when in fact they are the same thing. Thanks!
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                This is correct, and makes a clear distinction between airflow and wind. The aircraft encounters only airflow and has no concept of 'wind' - the only thing that knows of wind is you, seeing the ground go sideways. The air through which you are flying is still. The still air through which you fly, is being carried across the ground. The latter situation is what wind causes.
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                This is correct, and makes a clear distinction between airflow and wind. The aircraft encounters only airflow and has no concept of 'wind' - the only thing that knows of wind is you, seeing the ground go sideways. The air through which you are flying is still. The still air through which you fly, is being carried across the ground. The latter situation is what wind causes.
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                The difference is in application. First, the forward slip (my favorite). The inputs (for a 172) are full rudder and opposite aileron as needed to hold straight path. This is cross controlled, but safe if you maintain a healthy margin above stall. I did mine at 65 knots. The purpose is to increase drag, producing a faster rate of descent for a given airspeed.



                A side slip is used to hold your track in a cross wind. Here you aileron (drop wing) into wind as needed to stop being pushed sideways, using opposite rudder to control "weather vaning" of tail, and a tad more up elevator. This is where you want to be just prior to touchdown. Again cross controlled.



                These are best practiced at altitude first, as different aircraft have different cross controlled stall characteristics. The 172 produced some tail oscillation in a forward slip with flaps down, but, especially at 65 knots, got me home every time.






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                  I understand the difference in application. What I don't understand is how the same control inputs can cause both situations. How can the same control inputs end up causing two very different attitudes?
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                  They are not the same. Think of what you are doing. In a forward slip you skid the plane sideways for more drag, using opposite aileron to keep it from turning. In a side slip you roll the plane into the wind to hold a ground track, and use opposite rudder to keep the nose on that track. You will better understand it with some practice. It was confusing to me at first as well.
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                  It sounds to me like the main difference between the two situations you describe are the order in which you named the control inputs. Ignoring the external situation (wind), it sounds like they are the same practical thing, and what actually differentiates them is context. Isa this accurate?
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                  @KBriggs sounds like you really want to compartmentalize this issue, I guess as "cross controlled" flight. The only thing I can add is when you fly, you cannot ignore the external situation, in fact, you are a part of it. Your control inputs are to make the plane do something, depending on the external situation and your flight plan. You side slip to hold ground track against a cross wind. You forward slip to increase drag for a steeper rate of descent, a bit like adding flaps. What confused me was they were both called "slips".
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                  @KBriggs you are correct in that the control inputs are the same, and the resulting action of the aircraft is the same. The only difference is the presence of wind, which affects only your ground track, and cannot affect the flight characteristics of the aircraft. Refer to the answer of Martin above.
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                The difference is in application. First, the forward slip (my favorite). The inputs (for a 172) are full rudder and opposite aileron as needed to hold straight path. This is cross controlled, but safe if you maintain a healthy margin above stall. I did mine at 65 knots. The purpose is to increase drag, producing a faster rate of descent for a given airspeed.



                A side slip is used to hold your track in a cross wind. Here you aileron (drop wing) into wind as needed to stop being pushed sideways, using opposite rudder to control "weather vaning" of tail, and a tad more up elevator. This is where you want to be just prior to touchdown. Again cross controlled.



                These are best practiced at altitude first, as different aircraft have different cross controlled stall characteristics. The 172 produced some tail oscillation in a forward slip with flaps down, but, especially at 65 knots, got me home every time.






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                  I understand the difference in application. What I don't understand is how the same control inputs can cause both situations. How can the same control inputs end up causing two very different attitudes?
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                  They are not the same. Think of what you are doing. In a forward slip you skid the plane sideways for more drag, using opposite aileron to keep it from turning. In a side slip you roll the plane into the wind to hold a ground track, and use opposite rudder to keep the nose on that track. You will better understand it with some practice. It was confusing to me at first as well.
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                  yesterday










                • $begingroup$
                  It sounds to me like the main difference between the two situations you describe are the order in which you named the control inputs. Ignoring the external situation (wind), it sounds like they are the same practical thing, and what actually differentiates them is context. Isa this accurate?
                  $endgroup$
                  – KBriggs
                  10 hours ago










                • $begingroup$
                  @KBriggs sounds like you really want to compartmentalize this issue, I guess as "cross controlled" flight. The only thing I can add is when you fly, you cannot ignore the external situation, in fact, you are a part of it. Your control inputs are to make the plane do something, depending on the external situation and your flight plan. You side slip to hold ground track against a cross wind. You forward slip to increase drag for a steeper rate of descent, a bit like adding flaps. What confused me was they were both called "slips".
                  $endgroup$
                  – Robert DiGiovanni
                  7 hours ago










                • $begingroup$
                  @KBriggs you are correct in that the control inputs are the same, and the resulting action of the aircraft is the same. The only difference is the presence of wind, which affects only your ground track, and cannot affect the flight characteristics of the aircraft. Refer to the answer of Martin above.
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                  6 hours ago














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                The difference is in application. First, the forward slip (my favorite). The inputs (for a 172) are full rudder and opposite aileron as needed to hold straight path. This is cross controlled, but safe if you maintain a healthy margin above stall. I did mine at 65 knots. The purpose is to increase drag, producing a faster rate of descent for a given airspeed.



                A side slip is used to hold your track in a cross wind. Here you aileron (drop wing) into wind as needed to stop being pushed sideways, using opposite rudder to control "weather vaning" of tail, and a tad more up elevator. This is where you want to be just prior to touchdown. Again cross controlled.



                These are best practiced at altitude first, as different aircraft have different cross controlled stall characteristics. The 172 produced some tail oscillation in a forward slip with flaps down, but, especially at 65 knots, got me home every time.






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                The difference is in application. First, the forward slip (my favorite). The inputs (for a 172) are full rudder and opposite aileron as needed to hold straight path. This is cross controlled, but safe if you maintain a healthy margin above stall. I did mine at 65 knots. The purpose is to increase drag, producing a faster rate of descent for a given airspeed.



                A side slip is used to hold your track in a cross wind. Here you aileron (drop wing) into wind as needed to stop being pushed sideways, using opposite rudder to control "weather vaning" of tail, and a tad more up elevator. This is where you want to be just prior to touchdown. Again cross controlled.



                These are best practiced at altitude first, as different aircraft have different cross controlled stall characteristics. The 172 produced some tail oscillation in a forward slip with flaps down, but, especially at 65 knots, got me home every time.







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                • $begingroup$
                  I understand the difference in application. What I don't understand is how the same control inputs can cause both situations. How can the same control inputs end up causing two very different attitudes?
                  $endgroup$
                  – KBriggs
                  yesterday








                • 1




                  $begingroup$
                  They are not the same. Think of what you are doing. In a forward slip you skid the plane sideways for more drag, using opposite aileron to keep it from turning. In a side slip you roll the plane into the wind to hold a ground track, and use opposite rudder to keep the nose on that track. You will better understand it with some practice. It was confusing to me at first as well.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Robert DiGiovanni
                  yesterday










                • $begingroup$
                  It sounds to me like the main difference between the two situations you describe are the order in which you named the control inputs. Ignoring the external situation (wind), it sounds like they are the same practical thing, and what actually differentiates them is context. Isa this accurate?
                  $endgroup$
                  – KBriggs
                  10 hours ago










                • $begingroup$
                  @KBriggs sounds like you really want to compartmentalize this issue, I guess as "cross controlled" flight. The only thing I can add is when you fly, you cannot ignore the external situation, in fact, you are a part of it. Your control inputs are to make the plane do something, depending on the external situation and your flight plan. You side slip to hold ground track against a cross wind. You forward slip to increase drag for a steeper rate of descent, a bit like adding flaps. What confused me was they were both called "slips".
                  $endgroup$
                  – Robert DiGiovanni
                  7 hours ago










                • $begingroup$
                  @KBriggs you are correct in that the control inputs are the same, and the resulting action of the aircraft is the same. The only difference is the presence of wind, which affects only your ground track, and cannot affect the flight characteristics of the aircraft. Refer to the answer of Martin above.
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                  – a.out
                  6 hours ago


















                • $begingroup$
                  I understand the difference in application. What I don't understand is how the same control inputs can cause both situations. How can the same control inputs end up causing two very different attitudes?
                  $endgroup$
                  – KBriggs
                  yesterday








                • 1




                  $begingroup$
                  They are not the same. Think of what you are doing. In a forward slip you skid the plane sideways for more drag, using opposite aileron to keep it from turning. In a side slip you roll the plane into the wind to hold a ground track, and use opposite rudder to keep the nose on that track. You will better understand it with some practice. It was confusing to me at first as well.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Robert DiGiovanni
                  yesterday










                • $begingroup$
                  It sounds to me like the main difference between the two situations you describe are the order in which you named the control inputs. Ignoring the external situation (wind), it sounds like they are the same practical thing, and what actually differentiates them is context. Isa this accurate?
                  $endgroup$
                  – KBriggs
                  10 hours ago










                • $begingroup$
                  @KBriggs sounds like you really want to compartmentalize this issue, I guess as "cross controlled" flight. The only thing I can add is when you fly, you cannot ignore the external situation, in fact, you are a part of it. Your control inputs are to make the plane do something, depending on the external situation and your flight plan. You side slip to hold ground track against a cross wind. You forward slip to increase drag for a steeper rate of descent, a bit like adding flaps. What confused me was they were both called "slips".
                  $endgroup$
                  – Robert DiGiovanni
                  7 hours ago










                • $begingroup$
                  @KBriggs you are correct in that the control inputs are the same, and the resulting action of the aircraft is the same. The only difference is the presence of wind, which affects only your ground track, and cannot affect the flight characteristics of the aircraft. Refer to the answer of Martin above.
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                  – a.out
                  6 hours ago
















                $begingroup$
                I understand the difference in application. What I don't understand is how the same control inputs can cause both situations. How can the same control inputs end up causing two very different attitudes?
                $endgroup$
                – KBriggs
                yesterday






                $begingroup$
                I understand the difference in application. What I don't understand is how the same control inputs can cause both situations. How can the same control inputs end up causing two very different attitudes?
                $endgroup$
                – KBriggs
                yesterday






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                $begingroup$
                They are not the same. Think of what you are doing. In a forward slip you skid the plane sideways for more drag, using opposite aileron to keep it from turning. In a side slip you roll the plane into the wind to hold a ground track, and use opposite rudder to keep the nose on that track. You will better understand it with some practice. It was confusing to me at first as well.
                $endgroup$
                – Robert DiGiovanni
                yesterday




                $begingroup$
                They are not the same. Think of what you are doing. In a forward slip you skid the plane sideways for more drag, using opposite aileron to keep it from turning. In a side slip you roll the plane into the wind to hold a ground track, and use opposite rudder to keep the nose on that track. You will better understand it with some practice. It was confusing to me at first as well.
                $endgroup$
                – Robert DiGiovanni
                yesterday












                $begingroup$
                It sounds to me like the main difference between the two situations you describe are the order in which you named the control inputs. Ignoring the external situation (wind), it sounds like they are the same practical thing, and what actually differentiates them is context. Isa this accurate?
                $endgroup$
                – KBriggs
                10 hours ago




                $begingroup$
                It sounds to me like the main difference between the two situations you describe are the order in which you named the control inputs. Ignoring the external situation (wind), it sounds like they are the same practical thing, and what actually differentiates them is context. Isa this accurate?
                $endgroup$
                – KBriggs
                10 hours ago












                $begingroup$
                @KBriggs sounds like you really want to compartmentalize this issue, I guess as "cross controlled" flight. The only thing I can add is when you fly, you cannot ignore the external situation, in fact, you are a part of it. Your control inputs are to make the plane do something, depending on the external situation and your flight plan. You side slip to hold ground track against a cross wind. You forward slip to increase drag for a steeper rate of descent, a bit like adding flaps. What confused me was they were both called "slips".
                $endgroup$
                – Robert DiGiovanni
                7 hours ago




                $begingroup$
                @KBriggs sounds like you really want to compartmentalize this issue, I guess as "cross controlled" flight. The only thing I can add is when you fly, you cannot ignore the external situation, in fact, you are a part of it. Your control inputs are to make the plane do something, depending on the external situation and your flight plan. You side slip to hold ground track against a cross wind. You forward slip to increase drag for a steeper rate of descent, a bit like adding flaps. What confused me was they were both called "slips".
                $endgroup$
                – Robert DiGiovanni
                7 hours ago












                $begingroup$
                @KBriggs you are correct in that the control inputs are the same, and the resulting action of the aircraft is the same. The only difference is the presence of wind, which affects only your ground track, and cannot affect the flight characteristics of the aircraft. Refer to the answer of Martin above.
                $endgroup$
                – a.out
                6 hours ago




                $begingroup$
                @KBriggs you are correct in that the control inputs are the same, and the resulting action of the aircraft is the same. The only difference is the presence of wind, which affects only your ground track, and cannot affect the flight characteristics of the aircraft. Refer to the answer of Martin above.
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                – a.out
                6 hours ago











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                Forward slip and side slip are the same. It's just the objective, degree of control input, and alignment of the nose is different. Forward slips are to lose altitude. Side slips are to compensate for lateral drift while landing.



                In a forward slip your path through the air is more or less the same as before you started the slip. In a side slip your path is skewed laterally (kind of a forward slip with insufficient input).



                Whether it's forward or side slip depends on the amount of control inputs. A forward slip has enough rudder to point the nose to the side, with opposite bank to prevent turning, so that your path continues straight ahead in the absence of a crosswind.



                A side slip uses rudder to keep the nose aligned with the original heading, and with bank applied to let the airplane "slide downhill" so to speak, into wind, the result being the airplane tracks along the ground where the nose is pointed even though there is a crosswind.






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                  $begingroup$

                  Forward slip and side slip are the same. It's just the objective, degree of control input, and alignment of the nose is different. Forward slips are to lose altitude. Side slips are to compensate for lateral drift while landing.



                  In a forward slip your path through the air is more or less the same as before you started the slip. In a side slip your path is skewed laterally (kind of a forward slip with insufficient input).



                  Whether it's forward or side slip depends on the amount of control inputs. A forward slip has enough rudder to point the nose to the side, with opposite bank to prevent turning, so that your path continues straight ahead in the absence of a crosswind.



                  A side slip uses rudder to keep the nose aligned with the original heading, and with bank applied to let the airplane "slide downhill" so to speak, into wind, the result being the airplane tracks along the ground where the nose is pointed even though there is a crosswind.






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                    $begingroup$

                    Forward slip and side slip are the same. It's just the objective, degree of control input, and alignment of the nose is different. Forward slips are to lose altitude. Side slips are to compensate for lateral drift while landing.



                    In a forward slip your path through the air is more or less the same as before you started the slip. In a side slip your path is skewed laterally (kind of a forward slip with insufficient input).



                    Whether it's forward or side slip depends on the amount of control inputs. A forward slip has enough rudder to point the nose to the side, with opposite bank to prevent turning, so that your path continues straight ahead in the absence of a crosswind.



                    A side slip uses rudder to keep the nose aligned with the original heading, and with bank applied to let the airplane "slide downhill" so to speak, into wind, the result being the airplane tracks along the ground where the nose is pointed even though there is a crosswind.






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                    Forward slip and side slip are the same. It's just the objective, degree of control input, and alignment of the nose is different. Forward slips are to lose altitude. Side slips are to compensate for lateral drift while landing.



                    In a forward slip your path through the air is more or less the same as before you started the slip. In a side slip your path is skewed laterally (kind of a forward slip with insufficient input).



                    Whether it's forward or side slip depends on the amount of control inputs. A forward slip has enough rudder to point the nose to the side, with opposite bank to prevent turning, so that your path continues straight ahead in the absence of a crosswind.



                    A side slip uses rudder to keep the nose aligned with the original heading, and with bank applied to let the airplane "slide downhill" so to speak, into wind, the result being the airplane tracks along the ground where the nose is pointed even though there is a crosswind.







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                        Sideslip and forward slip are actually the same thing. They are both intentional cross controlled, unbalanced flight. The only difference is where the runway is oriented with respect to the aircraft's attitude, and the reason for executing the slip.



                        In what is being called a "forward slip", (used to lose altitude without gaining airspeed) the winds are approximately straight down the runway, so the aircraft attitude must be cocked to the side to keep the flight path lined up with centerline as the aircraft actually sideslips at an angle towards landing.



                        In a crosswind situation the reverse is true: The aircraft's flight path relative to the wind is into the direction the wind is coming from, (angle of bank into the wind to keep from drifting) but the aircraft is cross controlled with rudder to keep the nose lined up with centerline.



                        The aircraft's attitude with respect to the relative wind is the same in either case. Any time an aircraft is in unbalanced flight it is slipping both forward and sideways to some extent. The only difference is whether you are compensating for a crosswind or not, and where the runway is on your windscreen.






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                          $begingroup$

                          Sideslip and forward slip are actually the same thing. They are both intentional cross controlled, unbalanced flight. The only difference is where the runway is oriented with respect to the aircraft's attitude, and the reason for executing the slip.



                          In what is being called a "forward slip", (used to lose altitude without gaining airspeed) the winds are approximately straight down the runway, so the aircraft attitude must be cocked to the side to keep the flight path lined up with centerline as the aircraft actually sideslips at an angle towards landing.



                          In a crosswind situation the reverse is true: The aircraft's flight path relative to the wind is into the direction the wind is coming from, (angle of bank into the wind to keep from drifting) but the aircraft is cross controlled with rudder to keep the nose lined up with centerline.



                          The aircraft's attitude with respect to the relative wind is the same in either case. Any time an aircraft is in unbalanced flight it is slipping both forward and sideways to some extent. The only difference is whether you are compensating for a crosswind or not, and where the runway is on your windscreen.






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                            $begingroup$

                            Sideslip and forward slip are actually the same thing. They are both intentional cross controlled, unbalanced flight. The only difference is where the runway is oriented with respect to the aircraft's attitude, and the reason for executing the slip.



                            In what is being called a "forward slip", (used to lose altitude without gaining airspeed) the winds are approximately straight down the runway, so the aircraft attitude must be cocked to the side to keep the flight path lined up with centerline as the aircraft actually sideslips at an angle towards landing.



                            In a crosswind situation the reverse is true: The aircraft's flight path relative to the wind is into the direction the wind is coming from, (angle of bank into the wind to keep from drifting) but the aircraft is cross controlled with rudder to keep the nose lined up with centerline.



                            The aircraft's attitude with respect to the relative wind is the same in either case. Any time an aircraft is in unbalanced flight it is slipping both forward and sideways to some extent. The only difference is whether you are compensating for a crosswind or not, and where the runway is on your windscreen.






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                            Sideslip and forward slip are actually the same thing. They are both intentional cross controlled, unbalanced flight. The only difference is where the runway is oriented with respect to the aircraft's attitude, and the reason for executing the slip.



                            In what is being called a "forward slip", (used to lose altitude without gaining airspeed) the winds are approximately straight down the runway, so the aircraft attitude must be cocked to the side to keep the flight path lined up with centerline as the aircraft actually sideslips at an angle towards landing.



                            In a crosswind situation the reverse is true: The aircraft's flight path relative to the wind is into the direction the wind is coming from, (angle of bank into the wind to keep from drifting) but the aircraft is cross controlled with rudder to keep the nose lined up with centerline.



                            The aircraft's attitude with respect to the relative wind is the same in either case. Any time an aircraft is in unbalanced flight it is slipping both forward and sideways to some extent. The only difference is whether you are compensating for a crosswind or not, and where the runway is on your windscreen.







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                                Forward and Side-slips are not quite the same although they are very similar.



                                When a plane is put into a slip it tries to roll out of the slip. For example if I apply right rudder this puts me in a left slip (relative wind hits the airplane from the left) and the plane will try to roll right. This is called slip-roll coupling. Also the slip will try and turn the plane in what John Denker calls a "boat turn" in his book.



                                In a forward slip, the turning tendency by the slip ("boat turn") is exactly counteracted by the bank of the wings (what John Denker calls a "momentum turn") so that the airplane does not turn. This means that the ground track remains the same but that the airplane will be in a high drag / low lift situation that allows the plane to lose altitude without gaining airspeed.



                                Side-Slips are similar except that the turning tendency of the wings and resulting slip are not equal so that the airplane will try to maintain a constant heading while in a slip. This is useful in a cross-wind landing where the cross-wind will try to blow the plane off center line if you not crabbed and trying to keep the nose aligned with the center line. The correct for the crosswind the airplane has to turn into the wind while keeping the nose aligned with the center line. This is accomplished by having a larger bank ("momentum turn") than degree of slip ("boat turn") so a little less rudder is applied in a side-slip than in a forward slip. Side-slips are usually defined as maintaining a constant heading during the duration of the slip.



                                In both instances you are cross controlled its just that in the slide-slip you will use a little less rudder.



                                Here is a graphic from ClayAviation showing the concept:



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                                  $begingroup$

                                  Forward and Side-slips are not quite the same although they are very similar.



                                  When a plane is put into a slip it tries to roll out of the slip. For example if I apply right rudder this puts me in a left slip (relative wind hits the airplane from the left) and the plane will try to roll right. This is called slip-roll coupling. Also the slip will try and turn the plane in what John Denker calls a "boat turn" in his book.



                                  In a forward slip, the turning tendency by the slip ("boat turn") is exactly counteracted by the bank of the wings (what John Denker calls a "momentum turn") so that the airplane does not turn. This means that the ground track remains the same but that the airplane will be in a high drag / low lift situation that allows the plane to lose altitude without gaining airspeed.



                                  Side-Slips are similar except that the turning tendency of the wings and resulting slip are not equal so that the airplane will try to maintain a constant heading while in a slip. This is useful in a cross-wind landing where the cross-wind will try to blow the plane off center line if you not crabbed and trying to keep the nose aligned with the center line. The correct for the crosswind the airplane has to turn into the wind while keeping the nose aligned with the center line. This is accomplished by having a larger bank ("momentum turn") than degree of slip ("boat turn") so a little less rudder is applied in a side-slip than in a forward slip. Side-slips are usually defined as maintaining a constant heading during the duration of the slip.



                                  In both instances you are cross controlled its just that in the slide-slip you will use a little less rudder.



                                  Here is a graphic from ClayAviation showing the concept:



                                  enter image description here






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                                    $begingroup$

                                    Forward and Side-slips are not quite the same although they are very similar.



                                    When a plane is put into a slip it tries to roll out of the slip. For example if I apply right rudder this puts me in a left slip (relative wind hits the airplane from the left) and the plane will try to roll right. This is called slip-roll coupling. Also the slip will try and turn the plane in what John Denker calls a "boat turn" in his book.



                                    In a forward slip, the turning tendency by the slip ("boat turn") is exactly counteracted by the bank of the wings (what John Denker calls a "momentum turn") so that the airplane does not turn. This means that the ground track remains the same but that the airplane will be in a high drag / low lift situation that allows the plane to lose altitude without gaining airspeed.



                                    Side-Slips are similar except that the turning tendency of the wings and resulting slip are not equal so that the airplane will try to maintain a constant heading while in a slip. This is useful in a cross-wind landing where the cross-wind will try to blow the plane off center line if you not crabbed and trying to keep the nose aligned with the center line. The correct for the crosswind the airplane has to turn into the wind while keeping the nose aligned with the center line. This is accomplished by having a larger bank ("momentum turn") than degree of slip ("boat turn") so a little less rudder is applied in a side-slip than in a forward slip. Side-slips are usually defined as maintaining a constant heading during the duration of the slip.



                                    In both instances you are cross controlled its just that in the slide-slip you will use a little less rudder.



                                    Here is a graphic from ClayAviation showing the concept:



                                    enter image description here






                                    share|improve this answer









                                    $endgroup$



                                    Forward and Side-slips are not quite the same although they are very similar.



                                    When a plane is put into a slip it tries to roll out of the slip. For example if I apply right rudder this puts me in a left slip (relative wind hits the airplane from the left) and the plane will try to roll right. This is called slip-roll coupling. Also the slip will try and turn the plane in what John Denker calls a "boat turn" in his book.



                                    In a forward slip, the turning tendency by the slip ("boat turn") is exactly counteracted by the bank of the wings (what John Denker calls a "momentum turn") so that the airplane does not turn. This means that the ground track remains the same but that the airplane will be in a high drag / low lift situation that allows the plane to lose altitude without gaining airspeed.



                                    Side-Slips are similar except that the turning tendency of the wings and resulting slip are not equal so that the airplane will try to maintain a constant heading while in a slip. This is useful in a cross-wind landing where the cross-wind will try to blow the plane off center line if you not crabbed and trying to keep the nose aligned with the center line. The correct for the crosswind the airplane has to turn into the wind while keeping the nose aligned with the center line. This is accomplished by having a larger bank ("momentum turn") than degree of slip ("boat turn") so a little less rudder is applied in a side-slip than in a forward slip. Side-slips are usually defined as maintaining a constant heading during the duration of the slip.



                                    In both instances you are cross controlled its just that in the slide-slip you will use a little less rudder.



                                    Here is a graphic from ClayAviation showing the concept:



                                    enter image description here







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                                        Forward slip, you're basically pulling the nose up and coming in pre-stall, but wings level, except for maybe some wind correction.



                                        https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/july/flight-training-magazine/technique-forward-slip



                                        In a side-slip, you're turning the plane much more sideways and using the side of the fuselage to create a draggy profile.



                                        http://www.studyflight.com/side-slip/



                                        I prefer side slip, especially if push the tail left, gives a great view out the pilot side of the plane. Not so good a view from the other side.



                                        If I'm coming in to someplace new with no glide slope indicators, I tend to come in high, and make up for with sideslip to kill speed & lose altitude.






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                                          I think you have those backwards: side slip is for crosswind landings and forward slip is for when you're high/fast.
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                                          In either case, it's not answering the question asked, which was how you end up with two very different flight attitudes arising from the same control inputs.
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                                          I prefer sideslip for high & fast for better visibity. Both are tools a pilot should be able to use. Crosswind, flying in a crab can be better - getting the wind-side wing low and tracking centerline using the rudder. Depends how strong the winds are.
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                                        Forward slip, you're basically pulling the nose up and coming in pre-stall, but wings level, except for maybe some wind correction.



                                        https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/july/flight-training-magazine/technique-forward-slip



                                        In a side-slip, you're turning the plane much more sideways and using the side of the fuselage to create a draggy profile.



                                        http://www.studyflight.com/side-slip/



                                        I prefer side slip, especially if push the tail left, gives a great view out the pilot side of the plane. Not so good a view from the other side.



                                        If I'm coming in to someplace new with no glide slope indicators, I tend to come in high, and make up for with sideslip to kill speed & lose altitude.






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                                          I think you have those backwards: side slip is for crosswind landings and forward slip is for when you're high/fast.
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                                          – StephenS
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                                          In either case, it's not answering the question asked, which was how you end up with two very different flight attitudes arising from the same control inputs.
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                                          – KBriggs
                                          yesterday










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                                          I prefer sideslip for high & fast for better visibity. Both are tools a pilot should be able to use. Crosswind, flying in a crab can be better - getting the wind-side wing low and tracking centerline using the rudder. Depends how strong the winds are.
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                                          – CrossRoads
                                          15 hours ago














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                                        Forward slip, you're basically pulling the nose up and coming in pre-stall, but wings level, except for maybe some wind correction.



                                        https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/july/flight-training-magazine/technique-forward-slip



                                        In a side-slip, you're turning the plane much more sideways and using the side of the fuselage to create a draggy profile.



                                        http://www.studyflight.com/side-slip/



                                        I prefer side slip, especially if push the tail left, gives a great view out the pilot side of the plane. Not so good a view from the other side.



                                        If I'm coming in to someplace new with no glide slope indicators, I tend to come in high, and make up for with sideslip to kill speed & lose altitude.






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                                        Forward slip, you're basically pulling the nose up and coming in pre-stall, but wings level, except for maybe some wind correction.



                                        https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/july/flight-training-magazine/technique-forward-slip



                                        In a side-slip, you're turning the plane much more sideways and using the side of the fuselage to create a draggy profile.



                                        http://www.studyflight.com/side-slip/



                                        I prefer side slip, especially if push the tail left, gives a great view out the pilot side of the plane. Not so good a view from the other side.



                                        If I'm coming in to someplace new with no glide slope indicators, I tend to come in high, and make up for with sideslip to kill speed & lose altitude.







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                                          I think you have those backwards: side slip is for crosswind landings and forward slip is for when you're high/fast.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – StephenS
                                          yesterday










                                        • $begingroup$
                                          In either case, it's not answering the question asked, which was how you end up with two very different flight attitudes arising from the same control inputs.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – KBriggs
                                          yesterday










                                        • $begingroup$
                                          I prefer sideslip for high & fast for better visibity. Both are tools a pilot should be able to use. Crosswind, flying in a crab can be better - getting the wind-side wing low and tracking centerline using the rudder. Depends how strong the winds are.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – CrossRoads
                                          15 hours ago














                                        • 1




                                          $begingroup$
                                          I think you have those backwards: side slip is for crosswind landings and forward slip is for when you're high/fast.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – StephenS
                                          yesterday










                                        • $begingroup$
                                          In either case, it's not answering the question asked, which was how you end up with two very different flight attitudes arising from the same control inputs.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – KBriggs
                                          yesterday










                                        • $begingroup$
                                          I prefer sideslip for high & fast for better visibity. Both are tools a pilot should be able to use. Crosswind, flying in a crab can be better - getting the wind-side wing low and tracking centerline using the rudder. Depends how strong the winds are.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – CrossRoads
                                          15 hours ago








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                                        $begingroup$
                                        I think you have those backwards: side slip is for crosswind landings and forward slip is for when you're high/fast.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – StephenS
                                        yesterday




                                        $begingroup$
                                        I think you have those backwards: side slip is for crosswind landings and forward slip is for when you're high/fast.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – StephenS
                                        yesterday












                                        $begingroup$
                                        In either case, it's not answering the question asked, which was how you end up with two very different flight attitudes arising from the same control inputs.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – KBriggs
                                        yesterday




                                        $begingroup$
                                        In either case, it's not answering the question asked, which was how you end up with two very different flight attitudes arising from the same control inputs.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – KBriggs
                                        yesterday












                                        $begingroup$
                                        I prefer sideslip for high & fast for better visibity. Both are tools a pilot should be able to use. Crosswind, flying in a crab can be better - getting the wind-side wing low and tracking centerline using the rudder. Depends how strong the winds are.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – CrossRoads
                                        15 hours ago




                                        $begingroup$
                                        I prefer sideslip for high & fast for better visibity. Both are tools a pilot should be able to use. Crosswind, flying in a crab can be better - getting the wind-side wing low and tracking centerline using the rudder. Depends how strong the winds are.
                                        $endgroup$
                                        – CrossRoads
                                        15 hours ago










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