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I'm trying to remember the Gemara word for the equivalent of QED, when an argument would be settled between competing opinions and nothing more would be said about the issue.
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I'm trying to remember the Gemara word for the equivalent of QED, when an argument would be settled between competing opinions and nothing more would be said about the issue.
words talmud-gemara
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Maybe קא משמע לן?
– Double AA♦
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שמע מינה? תיובתא?
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I'm trying to remember the Gemara word for the equivalent of QED, when an argument would be settled between competing opinions and nothing more would be said about the issue.
words talmud-gemara
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I'm trying to remember the Gemara word for the equivalent of QED, when an argument would be settled between competing opinions and nothing more would be said about the issue.
words talmud-gemara
words talmud-gemara
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Maybe קא משמע לן?
– Double AA♦
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שמע מינה? תיובתא?
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Maybe קא משמע לן?
– Double AA♦
5 hours ago
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שמע מינה? תיובתא?
– robev
5 hours ago
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Maybe קא משמע לן?
– Double AA♦
5 hours ago
Maybe קא משמע לן?
– Double AA♦
5 hours ago
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שמע מינה? תיובתא?
– robev
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שמע מינה? תיובתא?
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You might be thinking of the word תיובתא as, for example, in Berachot 10b:
תיובתא דרב חסדא תיובתא
Is not this a refutation of R. Hisda? It is [indeed] a refutation. (Soncino translation)
As explained by several rishonim, e.g. Rashbam to Bava Batra 52b:
כל היכא דאמר בגמ' תיובתא דפלוני תיובתא בטלו דברי מי שהתיובתא עליו לגמרי
Anywhere that the Talmud says "Is not this a refutation of So-And-So? It is [indeed] a refutation", the words of he whom the refutation is upon are entirely rejected.
While this would be an official end to the discussion, it does not necessarily carry the same connotation of a rigorous logical/mathematical proof that QED would.
תיובתא is always a refutation. It's not used generally when proving something.
– Daniel
1 hour ago
@Daniel I was going on the wording of “when an argument would be settled between competing opinions and nothing more would be said about the issue”.
– Alex
32 mins ago
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I believe the word you are looking for is שמע מינה (we can [learn] from here). שמע מינה is often used when the Gemara asks for a proof to certain statement. If the Gemara brings a sastifying proof to something, it may end off by saying
.שמע מינה [like this statement] ,שמע מינה
It is basically saying we can learn out this statement from this proof, much like Q.E.D., it has been proven.
However, שמע מינה isn't only used to prove statements. It is also used in an attempt to prove a statement, before the actual proof is said. In that case it is more like saying let us try to learn from here. However, overall I would say that's definitely the word you are looking for.
Right answer. .
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I suspect that the phrase you're thinking of is קא משמע לן (ka mashma lan). It's not exactly QED, but it's often used similarly.
A typical usage that's most similar to Q.E.D. would be: "We would have thought X but Y therefore Z. Ka mashma lan."
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You might be thinking of the word תיובתא as, for example, in Berachot 10b:
תיובתא דרב חסדא תיובתא
Is not this a refutation of R. Hisda? It is [indeed] a refutation. (Soncino translation)
As explained by several rishonim, e.g. Rashbam to Bava Batra 52b:
כל היכא דאמר בגמ' תיובתא דפלוני תיובתא בטלו דברי מי שהתיובתא עליו לגמרי
Anywhere that the Talmud says "Is not this a refutation of So-And-So? It is [indeed] a refutation", the words of he whom the refutation is upon are entirely rejected.
While this would be an official end to the discussion, it does not necessarily carry the same connotation of a rigorous logical/mathematical proof that QED would.
תיובתא is always a refutation. It's not used generally when proving something.
– Daniel
1 hour ago
@Daniel I was going on the wording of “when an argument would be settled between competing opinions and nothing more would be said about the issue”.
– Alex
32 mins ago
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You might be thinking of the word תיובתא as, for example, in Berachot 10b:
תיובתא דרב חסדא תיובתא
Is not this a refutation of R. Hisda? It is [indeed] a refutation. (Soncino translation)
As explained by several rishonim, e.g. Rashbam to Bava Batra 52b:
כל היכא דאמר בגמ' תיובתא דפלוני תיובתא בטלו דברי מי שהתיובתא עליו לגמרי
Anywhere that the Talmud says "Is not this a refutation of So-And-So? It is [indeed] a refutation", the words of he whom the refutation is upon are entirely rejected.
While this would be an official end to the discussion, it does not necessarily carry the same connotation of a rigorous logical/mathematical proof that QED would.
תיובתא is always a refutation. It's not used generally when proving something.
– Daniel
1 hour ago
@Daniel I was going on the wording of “when an argument would be settled between competing opinions and nothing more would be said about the issue”.
– Alex
32 mins ago
add a comment |
You might be thinking of the word תיובתא as, for example, in Berachot 10b:
תיובתא דרב חסדא תיובתא
Is not this a refutation of R. Hisda? It is [indeed] a refutation. (Soncino translation)
As explained by several rishonim, e.g. Rashbam to Bava Batra 52b:
כל היכא דאמר בגמ' תיובתא דפלוני תיובתא בטלו דברי מי שהתיובתא עליו לגמרי
Anywhere that the Talmud says "Is not this a refutation of So-And-So? It is [indeed] a refutation", the words of he whom the refutation is upon are entirely rejected.
While this would be an official end to the discussion, it does not necessarily carry the same connotation of a rigorous logical/mathematical proof that QED would.
You might be thinking of the word תיובתא as, for example, in Berachot 10b:
תיובתא דרב חסדא תיובתא
Is not this a refutation of R. Hisda? It is [indeed] a refutation. (Soncino translation)
As explained by several rishonim, e.g. Rashbam to Bava Batra 52b:
כל היכא דאמר בגמ' תיובתא דפלוני תיובתא בטלו דברי מי שהתיובתא עליו לגמרי
Anywhere that the Talmud says "Is not this a refutation of So-And-So? It is [indeed] a refutation", the words of he whom the refutation is upon are entirely rejected.
While this would be an official end to the discussion, it does not necessarily carry the same connotation of a rigorous logical/mathematical proof that QED would.
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תיובתא is always a refutation. It's not used generally when proving something.
– Daniel
1 hour ago
@Daniel I was going on the wording of “when an argument would be settled between competing opinions and nothing more would be said about the issue”.
– Alex
32 mins ago
add a comment |
תיובתא is always a refutation. It's not used generally when proving something.
– Daniel
1 hour ago
@Daniel I was going on the wording of “when an argument would be settled between competing opinions and nothing more would be said about the issue”.
– Alex
32 mins ago
תיובתא is always a refutation. It's not used generally when proving something.
– Daniel
1 hour ago
תיובתא is always a refutation. It's not used generally when proving something.
– Daniel
1 hour ago
@Daniel I was going on the wording of “when an argument would be settled between competing opinions and nothing more would be said about the issue”.
– Alex
32 mins ago
@Daniel I was going on the wording of “when an argument would be settled between competing opinions and nothing more would be said about the issue”.
– Alex
32 mins ago
add a comment |
I believe the word you are looking for is שמע מינה (we can [learn] from here). שמע מינה is often used when the Gemara asks for a proof to certain statement. If the Gemara brings a sastifying proof to something, it may end off by saying
.שמע מינה [like this statement] ,שמע מינה
It is basically saying we can learn out this statement from this proof, much like Q.E.D., it has been proven.
However, שמע מינה isn't only used to prove statements. It is also used in an attempt to prove a statement, before the actual proof is said. In that case it is more like saying let us try to learn from here. However, overall I would say that's definitely the word you are looking for.
Right answer. .
– kouty
33 mins ago
add a comment |
I believe the word you are looking for is שמע מינה (we can [learn] from here). שמע מינה is often used when the Gemara asks for a proof to certain statement. If the Gemara brings a sastifying proof to something, it may end off by saying
.שמע מינה [like this statement] ,שמע מינה
It is basically saying we can learn out this statement from this proof, much like Q.E.D., it has been proven.
However, שמע מינה isn't only used to prove statements. It is also used in an attempt to prove a statement, before the actual proof is said. In that case it is more like saying let us try to learn from here. However, overall I would say that's definitely the word you are looking for.
Right answer. .
– kouty
33 mins ago
add a comment |
I believe the word you are looking for is שמע מינה (we can [learn] from here). שמע מינה is often used when the Gemara asks for a proof to certain statement. If the Gemara brings a sastifying proof to something, it may end off by saying
.שמע מינה [like this statement] ,שמע מינה
It is basically saying we can learn out this statement from this proof, much like Q.E.D., it has been proven.
However, שמע מינה isn't only used to prove statements. It is also used in an attempt to prove a statement, before the actual proof is said. In that case it is more like saying let us try to learn from here. However, overall I would say that's definitely the word you are looking for.
I believe the word you are looking for is שמע מינה (we can [learn] from here). שמע מינה is often used when the Gemara asks for a proof to certain statement. If the Gemara brings a sastifying proof to something, it may end off by saying
.שמע מינה [like this statement] ,שמע מינה
It is basically saying we can learn out this statement from this proof, much like Q.E.D., it has been proven.
However, שמע מינה isn't only used to prove statements. It is also used in an attempt to prove a statement, before the actual proof is said. In that case it is more like saying let us try to learn from here. However, overall I would say that's definitely the word you are looking for.
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Right answer. .
– kouty
33 mins ago
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Right answer. .
– kouty
33 mins ago
Right answer. .
– kouty
33 mins ago
Right answer. .
– kouty
33 mins ago
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I suspect that the phrase you're thinking of is קא משמע לן (ka mashma lan). It's not exactly QED, but it's often used similarly.
A typical usage that's most similar to Q.E.D. would be: "We would have thought X but Y therefore Z. Ka mashma lan."
add a comment |
I suspect that the phrase you're thinking of is קא משמע לן (ka mashma lan). It's not exactly QED, but it's often used similarly.
A typical usage that's most similar to Q.E.D. would be: "We would have thought X but Y therefore Z. Ka mashma lan."
add a comment |
I suspect that the phrase you're thinking of is קא משמע לן (ka mashma lan). It's not exactly QED, but it's often used similarly.
A typical usage that's most similar to Q.E.D. would be: "We would have thought X but Y therefore Z. Ka mashma lan."
I suspect that the phrase you're thinking of is קא משמע לן (ka mashma lan). It's not exactly QED, but it's often used similarly.
A typical usage that's most similar to Q.E.D. would be: "We would have thought X but Y therefore Z. Ka mashma lan."
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Maybe קא משמע לן?
– Double AA♦
5 hours ago
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שמע מינה? תיובתא?
– robev
5 hours ago