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I am on the US no-fly list. What can I do in order to be allowed on flights which go through US airspace?
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My father and I, both Canadian citizens, were denied to board a direct Turkish Airlines flight from Istanbul to Toronto non-stop without any prior warning or information. Literally at the gate, we were told that we were put on a no-fly list by Homeland Security because my father and I own a cargo business together located in eastern Turkey. Apparently the area was suddenly declared a red zone (danger zone) and all business owners in district were put on a no fly list.
The only way we were able to make it back to Canada was via Scandinavian northern routes flying close to the Arctic. Cost thousands of dollars hundreds of hours and and months in moral and mental pain. We even had a issue sending my 1 year old daughter on a flight with her mother to visit Turkey after that I was told my one year old daughters name was put on a no fly list, when i heard this i just felt like fainting and was holding my self not to cry in front of all these people.
On top of all of this even when we are able to fly back and forth via 2-3 stop northern routes to Canada we are now getting interrogated for 4-5 hour periods at our own airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time. Life has been horrible with this issue handicapping us to live our normal lives. We are honest business people that have nothing to do with any illegal acts we have always been law abiding citizens and will continue to do so.
Can anyone Help with this issue, or has anyone ever had any similar experience? Any resolution?
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My father and I, both Canadian citizens, were denied to board a direct Turkish Airlines flight from Istanbul to Toronto non-stop without any prior warning or information. Literally at the gate, we were told that we were put on a no-fly list by Homeland Security because my father and I own a cargo business together located in eastern Turkey. Apparently the area was suddenly declared a red zone (danger zone) and all business owners in district were put on a no fly list.
The only way we were able to make it back to Canada was via Scandinavian northern routes flying close to the Arctic. Cost thousands of dollars hundreds of hours and and months in moral and mental pain. We even had a issue sending my 1 year old daughter on a flight with her mother to visit Turkey after that I was told my one year old daughters name was put on a no fly list, when i heard this i just felt like fainting and was holding my self not to cry in front of all these people.
On top of all of this even when we are able to fly back and forth via 2-3 stop northern routes to Canada we are now getting interrogated for 4-5 hour periods at our own airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time. Life has been horrible with this issue handicapping us to live our normal lives. We are honest business people that have nothing to do with any illegal acts we have always been law abiding citizens and will continue to do so.
Can anyone Help with this issue, or has anyone ever had any similar experience? Any resolution?
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How did a nonstop from Istanbul to Toronto pass over U.S. airspace? Wouldn't the great-circle route involved stay well to the north of the States?
– Sean
8 hours ago
@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
7 hours ago
To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
7 hours ago
Would it be possible to land in Canada just a little bit further to the North, thus avoiding flying through the US? And it would probably be shorter and less expensive than hopping around several Northern European countries.
– vsz
5 hours ago
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My father and I, both Canadian citizens, were denied to board a direct Turkish Airlines flight from Istanbul to Toronto non-stop without any prior warning or information. Literally at the gate, we were told that we were put on a no-fly list by Homeland Security because my father and I own a cargo business together located in eastern Turkey. Apparently the area was suddenly declared a red zone (danger zone) and all business owners in district were put on a no fly list.
The only way we were able to make it back to Canada was via Scandinavian northern routes flying close to the Arctic. Cost thousands of dollars hundreds of hours and and months in moral and mental pain. We even had a issue sending my 1 year old daughter on a flight with her mother to visit Turkey after that I was told my one year old daughters name was put on a no fly list, when i heard this i just felt like fainting and was holding my self not to cry in front of all these people.
On top of all of this even when we are able to fly back and forth via 2-3 stop northern routes to Canada we are now getting interrogated for 4-5 hour periods at our own airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time. Life has been horrible with this issue handicapping us to live our normal lives. We are honest business people that have nothing to do with any illegal acts we have always been law abiding citizens and will continue to do so.
Can anyone Help with this issue, or has anyone ever had any similar experience? Any resolution?
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My father and I, both Canadian citizens, were denied to board a direct Turkish Airlines flight from Istanbul to Toronto non-stop without any prior warning or information. Literally at the gate, we were told that we were put on a no-fly list by Homeland Security because my father and I own a cargo business together located in eastern Turkey. Apparently the area was suddenly declared a red zone (danger zone) and all business owners in district were put on a no fly list.
The only way we were able to make it back to Canada was via Scandinavian northern routes flying close to the Arctic. Cost thousands of dollars hundreds of hours and and months in moral and mental pain. We even had a issue sending my 1 year old daughter on a flight with her mother to visit Turkey after that I was told my one year old daughters name was put on a no fly list, when i heard this i just felt like fainting and was holding my self not to cry in front of all these people.
On top of all of this even when we are able to fly back and forth via 2-3 stop northern routes to Canada we are now getting interrogated for 4-5 hour periods at our own airports by our own Canadian customs agents every single time. Life has been horrible with this issue handicapping us to live our normal lives. We are honest business people that have nothing to do with any illegal acts we have always been law abiding citizens and will continue to do so.
Can anyone Help with this issue, or has anyone ever had any similar experience? Any resolution?
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How did a nonstop from Istanbul to Toronto pass over U.S. airspace? Wouldn't the great-circle route involved stay well to the north of the States?
– Sean
8 hours ago
@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
7 hours ago
To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
7 hours ago
Would it be possible to land in Canada just a little bit further to the North, thus avoiding flying through the US? And it would probably be shorter and less expensive than hopping around several Northern European countries.
– vsz
5 hours ago
add a comment |
How did a nonstop from Istanbul to Toronto pass over U.S. airspace? Wouldn't the great-circle route involved stay well to the north of the States?
– Sean
8 hours ago
@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
7 hours ago
To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
7 hours ago
Would it be possible to land in Canada just a little bit further to the North, thus avoiding flying through the US? And it would probably be shorter and less expensive than hopping around several Northern European countries.
– vsz
5 hours ago
How did a nonstop from Istanbul to Toronto pass over U.S. airspace? Wouldn't the great-circle route involved stay well to the north of the States?
– Sean
8 hours ago
How did a nonstop from Istanbul to Toronto pass over U.S. airspace? Wouldn't the great-circle route involved stay well to the north of the States?
– Sean
8 hours ago
@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
7 hours ago
@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
7 hours ago
To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
7 hours ago
To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
7 hours ago
Would it be possible to land in Canada just a little bit further to the North, thus avoiding flying through the US? And it would probably be shorter and less expensive than hopping around several Northern European countries.
– vsz
5 hours ago
Would it be possible to land in Canada just a little bit further to the North, thus avoiding flying through the US? And it would probably be shorter and less expensive than hopping around several Northern European countries.
– vsz
5 hours ago
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As you've discovered, US regulations apply not just to flights to or from the US, but also to flights that pass over the US. Before such flights the airline will send APIS data (basically the details of the everyone on the flight) to the US Government, who can flag certain passengers as appears to have happened here.
Your only real recourse is to apply to the US Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP). This will trigger the DHS to investigate you specifically, and if they determine that you should not have been blocked from boarding (which could be as simply as them confusing you with someone else, poor data on their behalf, etc) then they will remedy this.
As a part of the TRIP process you will be given a "Redress number" which can be used on future bookings, and will allow the government to match up your TRIP application and determination with your flight.
Of course, it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified, in which case there's really nothing more that can be done.
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+1 However if he’s on a USA no blacklist, the TRIP will be of no use. TRIP will not address anything related to terrorism blacklist, he can forget about that. If it did people wouldn’t be spending tens of thousands of dollars filing lawsuits to address the issue.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
14 hours ago
9
"it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified" - concerning the OP, okay, but how can the inclusion of a one-year-old into a blacklist be justified? Born into the wrong caste?
– O. R. Mapper
13 hours ago
1
@O.R.Mapper I don't think Doc is intending to indicate that this will happen, or why this might happen, but rather that (for whatever unspecified reason) this is what would happen if this doesn't get addressed.
– DreamConspiracy
12 hours ago
5
@ThEiLlEgAlaLiEn As someone that had seemingly made it onto one of DHS's "lists" (albeit not a blacklist as I was still able to fly, but required additional security checks before every flight into the US) I can attest to the fact that the TRIP process works. It's also possible that he is NOT on a blacklist, but (for example) someone with the same name/DOB is. TRIP solves this issue too.
– Doc
9 hours ago
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Unfortunately if you’re on a USA no fly list, and you’re not a citizen or permanent resident, you have very little recourse.
Who Can Challenge the No-Fly List?
In 2014, the American Civil Liberties Union obtained a federal court
ruling that U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents were entitled
to know if they were on the list and potentially know what got them
there. Baz’s case, if successful, could extend that right to foreign
nationals.
Even if this case is successful, in your case you’re not someone who has been coming to the U.S. and has a long history of coming to the United States and has significant ties to the United States.
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He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
15 hours ago
1
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
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14 hours ago
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As you've discovered, US regulations apply not just to flights to or from the US, but also to flights that pass over the US. Before such flights the airline will send APIS data (basically the details of the everyone on the flight) to the US Government, who can flag certain passengers as appears to have happened here.
Your only real recourse is to apply to the US Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP). This will trigger the DHS to investigate you specifically, and if they determine that you should not have been blocked from boarding (which could be as simply as them confusing you with someone else, poor data on their behalf, etc) then they will remedy this.
As a part of the TRIP process you will be given a "Redress number" which can be used on future bookings, and will allow the government to match up your TRIP application and determination with your flight.
Of course, it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified, in which case there's really nothing more that can be done.
answered 15 hours ago
DocDoc
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+1 However if he’s on a USA no blacklist, the TRIP will be of no use. TRIP will not address anything related to terrorism blacklist, he can forget about that. If it did people wouldn’t be spending tens of thousands of dollars filing lawsuits to address the issue.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
14 hours ago
9
"it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified" - concerning the OP, okay, but how can the inclusion of a one-year-old into a blacklist be justified? Born into the wrong caste?
– O. R. Mapper
13 hours ago
1
@O.R.Mapper I don't think Doc is intending to indicate that this will happen, or why this might happen, but rather that (for whatever unspecified reason) this is what would happen if this doesn't get addressed.
– DreamConspiracy
12 hours ago
5
@ThEiLlEgAlaLiEn As someone that had seemingly made it onto one of DHS's "lists" (albeit not a blacklist as I was still able to fly, but required additional security checks before every flight into the US) I can attest to the fact that the TRIP process works. It's also possible that he is NOT on a blacklist, but (for example) someone with the same name/DOB is. TRIP solves this issue too.
– Doc
9 hours ago
add a comment |
As you've discovered, US regulations apply not just to flights to or from the US, but also to flights that pass over the US. Before such flights the airline will send APIS data (basically the details of the everyone on the flight) to the US Government, who can flag certain passengers as appears to have happened here.
Your only real recourse is to apply to the US Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP). This will trigger the DHS to investigate you specifically, and if they determine that you should not have been blocked from boarding (which could be as simply as them confusing you with someone else, poor data on their behalf, etc) then they will remedy this.
As a part of the TRIP process you will be given a "Redress number" which can be used on future bookings, and will allow the government to match up your TRIP application and determination with your flight.
Of course, it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified, in which case there's really nothing more that can be done.
answered 15 hours ago
DocDoc
75.2k4177281
2
+1 However if he’s on a USA no blacklist, the TRIP will be of no use. TRIP will not address anything related to terrorism blacklist, he can forget about that. If it did people wouldn’t be spending tens of thousands of dollars filing lawsuits to address the issue.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
14 hours ago
9
"it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified" - concerning the OP, okay, but how can the inclusion of a one-year-old into a blacklist be justified? Born into the wrong caste?
– O. R. Mapper
13 hours ago
1
@O.R.Mapper I don't think Doc is intending to indicate that this will happen, or why this might happen, but rather that (for whatever unspecified reason) this is what would happen if this doesn't get addressed.
– DreamConspiracy
12 hours ago
5
@ThEiLlEgAlaLiEn As someone that had seemingly made it onto one of DHS's "lists" (albeit not a blacklist as I was still able to fly, but required additional security checks before every flight into the US) I can attest to the fact that the TRIP process works. It's also possible that he is NOT on a blacklist, but (for example) someone with the same name/DOB is. TRIP solves this issue too.
– Doc
9 hours ago
add a comment |
As you've discovered, US regulations apply not just to flights to or from the US, but also to flights that pass over the US. Before such flights the airline will send APIS data (basically the details of the everyone on the flight) to the US Government, who can flag certain passengers as appears to have happened here.
Your only real recourse is to apply to the US Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP). This will trigger the DHS to investigate you specifically, and if they determine that you should not have been blocked from boarding (which could be as simply as them confusing you with someone else, poor data on their behalf, etc) then they will remedy this.
As a part of the TRIP process you will be given a "Redress number" which can be used on future bookings, and will allow the government to match up your TRIP application and determination with your flight.
Of course, it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified, in which case there's really nothing more that can be done.
answered 15 hours ago
DocDoc
75.2k4177281
As you've discovered, US regulations apply not just to flights to or from the US, but also to flights that pass over the US. Before such flights the airline will send APIS data (basically the details of the everyone on the flight) to the US Government, who can flag certain passengers as appears to have happened here.
Your only real recourse is to apply to the US Department of Homeland Security Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP). This will trigger the DHS to investigate you specifically, and if they determine that you should not have been blocked from boarding (which could be as simply as them confusing you with someone else, poor data on their behalf, etc) then they will remedy this.
As a part of the TRIP process you will be given a "Redress number" which can be used on future bookings, and will allow the government to match up your TRIP application and determination with your flight.
Of course, it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified, in which case there's really nothing more that can be done.
answered 15 hours ago
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+1 However if he’s on a USA no blacklist, the TRIP will be of no use. TRIP will not address anything related to terrorism blacklist, he can forget about that. If it did people wouldn’t be spending tens of thousands of dollars filing lawsuits to address the issue.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
14 hours ago
9
"it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified" - concerning the OP, okay, but how can the inclusion of a one-year-old into a blacklist be justified? Born into the wrong caste?
– O. R. Mapper
13 hours ago
1
@O.R.Mapper I don't think Doc is intending to indicate that this will happen, or why this might happen, but rather that (for whatever unspecified reason) this is what would happen if this doesn't get addressed.
– DreamConspiracy
12 hours ago
5
@ThEiLlEgAlaLiEn As someone that had seemingly made it onto one of DHS's "lists" (albeit not a blacklist as I was still able to fly, but required additional security checks before every flight into the US) I can attest to the fact that the TRIP process works. It's also possible that he is NOT on a blacklist, but (for example) someone with the same name/DOB is. TRIP solves this issue too.
– Doc
9 hours ago
add a comment |
2
+1 However if he’s on a USA no blacklist, the TRIP will be of no use. TRIP will not address anything related to terrorism blacklist, he can forget about that. If it did people wouldn’t be spending tens of thousands of dollars filing lawsuits to address the issue.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
14 hours ago
9
"it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified" - concerning the OP, okay, but how can the inclusion of a one-year-old into a blacklist be justified? Born into the wrong caste?
– O. R. Mapper
13 hours ago
1
@O.R.Mapper I don't think Doc is intending to indicate that this will happen, or why this might happen, but rather that (for whatever unspecified reason) this is what would happen if this doesn't get addressed.
– DreamConspiracy
12 hours ago
5
@ThEiLlEgAlaLiEn As someone that had seemingly made it onto one of DHS's "lists" (albeit not a blacklist as I was still able to fly, but required additional security checks before every flight into the US) I can attest to the fact that the TRIP process works. It's also possible that he is NOT on a blacklist, but (for example) someone with the same name/DOB is. TRIP solves this issue too.
– Doc
9 hours ago
2
2
+1 However if he’s on a USA no blacklist, the TRIP will be of no use. TRIP will not address anything related to terrorism blacklist, he can forget about that. If it did people wouldn’t be spending tens of thousands of dollars filing lawsuits to address the issue.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
14 hours ago
+1 However if he’s on a USA no blacklist, the TRIP will be of no use. TRIP will not address anything related to terrorism blacklist, he can forget about that. If it did people wouldn’t be spending tens of thousands of dollars filing lawsuits to address the issue.
– ThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
14 hours ago
9
9
"it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified" - concerning the OP, okay, but how can the inclusion of a one-year-old into a blacklist be justified? Born into the wrong caste?
– O. R. Mapper
13 hours ago
"it's very possible that the DHS will determine that you are on a blacklist, and that fact is justified" - concerning the OP, okay, but how can the inclusion of a one-year-old into a blacklist be justified? Born into the wrong caste?
– O. R. Mapper
13 hours ago
1
1
@O.R.Mapper I don't think Doc is intending to indicate that this will happen, or why this might happen, but rather that (for whatever unspecified reason) this is what would happen if this doesn't get addressed.
– DreamConspiracy
12 hours ago
@O.R.Mapper I don't think Doc is intending to indicate that this will happen, or why this might happen, but rather that (for whatever unspecified reason) this is what would happen if this doesn't get addressed.
– DreamConspiracy
12 hours ago
5
5
@ThEiLlEgAlaLiEn As someone that had seemingly made it onto one of DHS's "lists" (albeit not a blacklist as I was still able to fly, but required additional security checks before every flight into the US) I can attest to the fact that the TRIP process works. It's also possible that he is NOT on a blacklist, but (for example) someone with the same name/DOB is. TRIP solves this issue too.
– Doc
9 hours ago
@ThEiLlEgAlaLiEn As someone that had seemingly made it onto one of DHS's "lists" (albeit not a blacklist as I was still able to fly, but required additional security checks before every flight into the US) I can attest to the fact that the TRIP process works. It's also possible that he is NOT on a blacklist, but (for example) someone with the same name/DOB is. TRIP solves this issue too.
– Doc
9 hours ago
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Unfortunately if you’re on a USA no fly list, and you’re not a citizen or permanent resident, you have very little recourse.
Who Can Challenge the No-Fly List?
In 2014, the American Civil Liberties Union obtained a federal court
ruling that U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents were entitled
to know if they were on the list and potentially know what got them
there. Baz’s case, if successful, could extend that right to foreign
nationals.
Even if this case is successful, in your case you’re not someone who has been coming to the U.S. and has a long history of coming to the United States and has significant ties to the United States.
answered 16 hours ago
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
23.9k367123
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He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
15 hours ago
1
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Unfortunately if you’re on a USA no fly list, and you’re not a citizen or permanent resident, you have very little recourse.
Who Can Challenge the No-Fly List?
In 2014, the American Civil Liberties Union obtained a federal court
ruling that U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents were entitled
to know if they were on the list and potentially know what got them
there. Baz’s case, if successful, could extend that right to foreign
nationals.
Even if this case is successful, in your case you’re not someone who has been coming to the U.S. and has a long history of coming to the United States and has significant ties to the United States.
answered 16 hours ago
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
23.9k367123
9
He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
15 hours ago
1
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Unfortunately if you’re on a USA no fly list, and you’re not a citizen or permanent resident, you have very little recourse.
Who Can Challenge the No-Fly List?
In 2014, the American Civil Liberties Union obtained a federal court
ruling that U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents were entitled
to know if they were on the list and potentially know what got them
there. Baz’s case, if successful, could extend that right to foreign
nationals.
Even if this case is successful, in your case you’re not someone who has been coming to the U.S. and has a long history of coming to the United States and has significant ties to the United States.
answered 16 hours ago
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
23.9k367123
Unfortunately if you’re on a USA no fly list, and you’re not a citizen or permanent resident, you have very little recourse.
Who Can Challenge the No-Fly List?
In 2014, the American Civil Liberties Union obtained a federal court
ruling that U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents were entitled
to know if they were on the list and potentially know what got them
there. Baz’s case, if successful, could extend that right to foreign
nationals.
Even if this case is successful, in your case you’re not someone who has been coming to the U.S. and has a long history of coming to the United States and has significant ties to the United States.
answered 16 hours ago
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
23.9k367123
answered 16 hours ago
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
23.9k367123
answered 16 hours ago
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
23.9k367123
answered 16 hours ago
ThE iLlEgAl aLiEnThE iLlEgAl aLiEn
23.9k367123
23.9k367123
9
He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
15 hours ago
1
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
14 hours ago
add a comment |
9
He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
15 hours ago
1
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
14 hours ago
9
9
He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
15 hours ago
He could try the diplomatic channels by contacting his representative, or his Foreign Affairs department. Changes are slim though. About his problems in Canada, I am pretty sure he has a case against the Canadian authorities giving him long interrogations.
– gstorto
15 hours ago
1
1
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
14 hours ago
Thank you for all the input. I will be studying it now.
– Aras Celik
14 hours ago
add a comment |
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How did a nonstop from Istanbul to Toronto pass over U.S. airspace? Wouldn't the great-circle route involved stay well to the north of the States?
– Sean
8 hours ago
@Sean the great circle route is not that far north of the US border. In particular, the airport is probably less than 50 km from US airspace.
– phoog
7 hours ago
To elaborate on what @phoog is saying, Toronto is right on Lake Ontario, which is the international border.
– Ben Voigt
7 hours ago
Would it be possible to land in Canada just a little bit further to the North, thus avoiding flying through the US? And it would probably be shorter and less expensive than hopping around several Northern European countries.
– vsz
5 hours ago