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Understanding CSS letter-spacing: is it valid to replace the default value of normal with 0?



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According to this page, the CSS letter-spacing property has a default value of normal.



Notably, non-default values are added to the default value:




The most important point to note when using letter-spacing is that the
value specified does not change the default, it is added to the
default spacing the browser applies (based on the font metrics).
letter-spacing also supports negative values, which will tighten the
appearance of text, rather than loosening it.




According to this definition, 0 should be equivalent to the default value of normal since 0 + X = X.



1) Is it valid to use 0 as a replacement for the default value of normal? (This is for a slider implementation.)



2) Why isn't 0 the default value? Why introduce another value (i.e., normal)?



This test on CodePen also suggests a value of 0 is, indeed, equivalent to the default value of normal.



<p>This type has no additional letter-spacing applied.</p>

<p class="loose">This type is letter-spaced loosely at <code>2px</code>.</p>

<p class="tight">This type is letter-spaced tightly at <code>-1px</code></p>

<p class="zero">This type is letter-spaced at <code>0</code></p>

<p class="normal">This type is letter-spaced at <code>0</code></p>

.loose {
letter-spacing: 2px;
}

.tight {
letter-spacing: -1px;
}

.zero {
letter-spacing: 0;
}

.normal {
letter-spacing: normal;
}









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    Why the close votes?

    – Crashalot
    15 hours ago






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    w3.org/TR/css-text-3/#letter-spacing-property: normal No additional spacing is applied. Computes to zero. - It's just a keyword value

    – Pete
    15 hours ago













  • @Pete so you're saying normal and 0 are equivalent, right?

    – Crashalot
    15 hours ago











  • I assume so as that's the latest published version of css text module 3 and makes no mention of the user agent - drafts.csswg.org/css-values/#keywords

    – Pete
    15 hours ago


















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According to this page, the CSS letter-spacing property has a default value of normal.



Notably, non-default values are added to the default value:




The most important point to note when using letter-spacing is that the
value specified does not change the default, it is added to the
default spacing the browser applies (based on the font metrics).
letter-spacing also supports negative values, which will tighten the
appearance of text, rather than loosening it.




According to this definition, 0 should be equivalent to the default value of normal since 0 + X = X.



1) Is it valid to use 0 as a replacement for the default value of normal? (This is for a slider implementation.)



2) Why isn't 0 the default value? Why introduce another value (i.e., normal)?



This test on CodePen also suggests a value of 0 is, indeed, equivalent to the default value of normal.



<p>This type has no additional letter-spacing applied.</p>

<p class="loose">This type is letter-spaced loosely at <code>2px</code>.</p>

<p class="tight">This type is letter-spaced tightly at <code>-1px</code></p>

<p class="zero">This type is letter-spaced at <code>0</code></p>

<p class="normal">This type is letter-spaced at <code>0</code></p>

.loose {
letter-spacing: 2px;
}

.tight {
letter-spacing: -1px;
}

.zero {
letter-spacing: 0;
}

.normal {
letter-spacing: normal;
}









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  • 1





    Why the close votes?

    – Crashalot
    15 hours ago






  • 1





    w3.org/TR/css-text-3/#letter-spacing-property: normal No additional spacing is applied. Computes to zero. - It's just a keyword value

    – Pete
    15 hours ago













  • @Pete so you're saying normal and 0 are equivalent, right?

    – Crashalot
    15 hours ago











  • I assume so as that's the latest published version of css text module 3 and makes no mention of the user agent - drafts.csswg.org/css-values/#keywords

    – Pete
    15 hours ago
















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According to this page, the CSS letter-spacing property has a default value of normal.



Notably, non-default values are added to the default value:




The most important point to note when using letter-spacing is that the
value specified does not change the default, it is added to the
default spacing the browser applies (based on the font metrics).
letter-spacing also supports negative values, which will tighten the
appearance of text, rather than loosening it.




According to this definition, 0 should be equivalent to the default value of normal since 0 + X = X.



1) Is it valid to use 0 as a replacement for the default value of normal? (This is for a slider implementation.)



2) Why isn't 0 the default value? Why introduce another value (i.e., normal)?



This test on CodePen also suggests a value of 0 is, indeed, equivalent to the default value of normal.



<p>This type has no additional letter-spacing applied.</p>

<p class="loose">This type is letter-spaced loosely at <code>2px</code>.</p>

<p class="tight">This type is letter-spaced tightly at <code>-1px</code></p>

<p class="zero">This type is letter-spaced at <code>0</code></p>

<p class="normal">This type is letter-spaced at <code>0</code></p>

.loose {
letter-spacing: 2px;
}

.tight {
letter-spacing: -1px;
}

.zero {
letter-spacing: 0;
}

.normal {
letter-spacing: normal;
}









share|improve this question














According to this page, the CSS letter-spacing property has a default value of normal.



Notably, non-default values are added to the default value:




The most important point to note when using letter-spacing is that the
value specified does not change the default, it is added to the
default spacing the browser applies (based on the font metrics).
letter-spacing also supports negative values, which will tighten the
appearance of text, rather than loosening it.




According to this definition, 0 should be equivalent to the default value of normal since 0 + X = X.



1) Is it valid to use 0 as a replacement for the default value of normal? (This is for a slider implementation.)



2) Why isn't 0 the default value? Why introduce another value (i.e., normal)?



This test on CodePen also suggests a value of 0 is, indeed, equivalent to the default value of normal.



<p>This type has no additional letter-spacing applied.</p>

<p class="loose">This type is letter-spaced loosely at <code>2px</code>.</p>

<p class="tight">This type is letter-spaced tightly at <code>-1px</code></p>

<p class="zero">This type is letter-spaced at <code>0</code></p>

<p class="normal">This type is letter-spaced at <code>0</code></p>

.loose {
letter-spacing: 2px;
}

.tight {
letter-spacing: -1px;
}

.zero {
letter-spacing: 0;
}

.normal {
letter-spacing: normal;
}






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    Why the close votes?

    – Crashalot
    15 hours ago






  • 1





    w3.org/TR/css-text-3/#letter-spacing-property: normal No additional spacing is applied. Computes to zero. - It's just a keyword value

    – Pete
    15 hours ago













  • @Pete so you're saying normal and 0 are equivalent, right?

    – Crashalot
    15 hours ago











  • I assume so as that's the latest published version of css text module 3 and makes no mention of the user agent - drafts.csswg.org/css-values/#keywords

    – Pete
    15 hours ago
















  • 1





    Why the close votes?

    – Crashalot
    15 hours ago






  • 1





    w3.org/TR/css-text-3/#letter-spacing-property: normal No additional spacing is applied. Computes to zero. - It's just a keyword value

    – Pete
    15 hours ago













  • @Pete so you're saying normal and 0 are equivalent, right?

    – Crashalot
    15 hours ago











  • I assume so as that's the latest published version of css text module 3 and makes no mention of the user agent - drafts.csswg.org/css-values/#keywords

    – Pete
    15 hours ago










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Why the close votes?

– Crashalot
15 hours ago





Why the close votes?

– Crashalot
15 hours ago




1




1





w3.org/TR/css-text-3/#letter-spacing-property: normal No additional spacing is applied. Computes to zero. - It's just a keyword value

– Pete
15 hours ago







w3.org/TR/css-text-3/#letter-spacing-property: normal No additional spacing is applied. Computes to zero. - It's just a keyword value

– Pete
15 hours ago















@Pete so you're saying normal and 0 are equivalent, right?

– Crashalot
15 hours ago





@Pete so you're saying normal and 0 are equivalent, right?

– Crashalot
15 hours ago













I assume so as that's the latest published version of css text module 3 and makes no mention of the user agent - drafts.csswg.org/css-values/#keywords

– Pete
15 hours ago







I assume so as that's the latest published version of css text module 3 and makes no mention of the user agent - drafts.csswg.org/css-values/#keywords

– Pete
15 hours ago














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No both aren't exactly equivalent. If you check the current specification




normal



The spacing is the normal spacing for the current font. This value allows the user agent to alter the space between characters in order to justify text.




Then




<length>



This value indicates inter-character space in addition to the default space between characters. Values may be negative, but there may be implementation-specific limits. User agents may not further increase or decrease the inter-character space in order to justify text.




In most of the cases, they will render the same but as you can read, the user agent doesn't handle both the same.





The definition in the Draft of the next level seems to have changed slightly and both are now the same.




For legacy reasons, a computed letter-spacing of zero yields a resolved value (getComputedStyle() return value) of normal..




You can also read here: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1484




CSS2 used to treat normal different than 0, so computing differently was a requirement. Now that the spec treats them the same ...






I don't know if all the browsers are already implementing this level but you can most likely consider them the same






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  • so in CSS2, it only differs for text-align: justify

    – gsnedders
    7 hours ago











  • @gsnedders yes it may differ with justify (not necessarely). Unfortunately I cannot proove it, I am trying to find if I can get a working example to show this difference.

    – Temani Afif
    7 hours ago



















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According to the Mozzila docs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/letter-spacing#Values




The normal letter spacing for the current font. Unlike a value of 0, this keyword allows the user agent to alter the space between characters in order to justify text.




Seems like 0 is more of a hard value to set it to the default. Normal can be modified by the user agent.






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    No both aren't exactly equivalent. If you check the current specification




    normal



    The spacing is the normal spacing for the current font. This value allows the user agent to alter the space between characters in order to justify text.




    Then




    <length>



    This value indicates inter-character space in addition to the default space between characters. Values may be negative, but there may be implementation-specific limits. User agents may not further increase or decrease the inter-character space in order to justify text.




    In most of the cases, they will render the same but as you can read, the user agent doesn't handle both the same.





    The definition in the Draft of the next level seems to have changed slightly and both are now the same.




    For legacy reasons, a computed letter-spacing of zero yields a resolved value (getComputedStyle() return value) of normal..




    You can also read here: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1484




    CSS2 used to treat normal different than 0, so computing differently was a requirement. Now that the spec treats them the same ...






    I don't know if all the browsers are already implementing this level but you can most likely consider them the same






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    • so in CSS2, it only differs for text-align: justify

      – gsnedders
      7 hours ago











    • @gsnedders yes it may differ with justify (not necessarely). Unfortunately I cannot proove it, I am trying to find if I can get a working example to show this difference.

      – Temani Afif
      7 hours ago
















    14














    No both aren't exactly equivalent. If you check the current specification




    normal



    The spacing is the normal spacing for the current font. This value allows the user agent to alter the space between characters in order to justify text.




    Then




    <length>



    This value indicates inter-character space in addition to the default space between characters. Values may be negative, but there may be implementation-specific limits. User agents may not further increase or decrease the inter-character space in order to justify text.




    In most of the cases, they will render the same but as you can read, the user agent doesn't handle both the same.





    The definition in the Draft of the next level seems to have changed slightly and both are now the same.




    For legacy reasons, a computed letter-spacing of zero yields a resolved value (getComputedStyle() return value) of normal..




    You can also read here: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1484




    CSS2 used to treat normal different than 0, so computing differently was a requirement. Now that the spec treats them the same ...






    I don't know if all the browsers are already implementing this level but you can most likely consider them the same






    share|improve this answer


























    • so in CSS2, it only differs for text-align: justify

      – gsnedders
      7 hours ago











    • @gsnedders yes it may differ with justify (not necessarely). Unfortunately I cannot proove it, I am trying to find if I can get a working example to show this difference.

      – Temani Afif
      7 hours ago














    14












    14








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    No both aren't exactly equivalent. If you check the current specification




    normal



    The spacing is the normal spacing for the current font. This value allows the user agent to alter the space between characters in order to justify text.




    Then




    <length>



    This value indicates inter-character space in addition to the default space between characters. Values may be negative, but there may be implementation-specific limits. User agents may not further increase or decrease the inter-character space in order to justify text.




    In most of the cases, they will render the same but as you can read, the user agent doesn't handle both the same.





    The definition in the Draft of the next level seems to have changed slightly and both are now the same.




    For legacy reasons, a computed letter-spacing of zero yields a resolved value (getComputedStyle() return value) of normal..




    You can also read here: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1484




    CSS2 used to treat normal different than 0, so computing differently was a requirement. Now that the spec treats them the same ...






    I don't know if all the browsers are already implementing this level but you can most likely consider them the same






    share|improve this answer















    No both aren't exactly equivalent. If you check the current specification




    normal



    The spacing is the normal spacing for the current font. This value allows the user agent to alter the space between characters in order to justify text.




    Then




    <length>



    This value indicates inter-character space in addition to the default space between characters. Values may be negative, but there may be implementation-specific limits. User agents may not further increase or decrease the inter-character space in order to justify text.




    In most of the cases, they will render the same but as you can read, the user agent doesn't handle both the same.





    The definition in the Draft of the next level seems to have changed slightly and both are now the same.




    For legacy reasons, a computed letter-spacing of zero yields a resolved value (getComputedStyle() return value) of normal..




    You can also read here: https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1484




    CSS2 used to treat normal different than 0, so computing differently was a requirement. Now that the spec treats them the same ...






    I don't know if all the browsers are already implementing this level but you can most likely consider them the same







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    • so in CSS2, it only differs for text-align: justify

      – gsnedders
      7 hours ago











    • @gsnedders yes it may differ with justify (not necessarely). Unfortunately I cannot proove it, I am trying to find if I can get a working example to show this difference.

      – Temani Afif
      7 hours ago



















    • so in CSS2, it only differs for text-align: justify

      – gsnedders
      7 hours ago











    • @gsnedders yes it may differ with justify (not necessarely). Unfortunately I cannot proove it, I am trying to find if I can get a working example to show this difference.

      – Temani Afif
      7 hours ago

















    so in CSS2, it only differs for text-align: justify

    – gsnedders
    7 hours ago





    so in CSS2, it only differs for text-align: justify

    – gsnedders
    7 hours ago













    @gsnedders yes it may differ with justify (not necessarely). Unfortunately I cannot proove it, I am trying to find if I can get a working example to show this difference.

    – Temani Afif
    7 hours ago





    @gsnedders yes it may differ with justify (not necessarely). Unfortunately I cannot proove it, I am trying to find if I can get a working example to show this difference.

    – Temani Afif
    7 hours ago













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    According to the Mozzila docs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/letter-spacing#Values




    The normal letter spacing for the current font. Unlike a value of 0, this keyword allows the user agent to alter the space between characters in order to justify text.




    Seems like 0 is more of a hard value to set it to the default. Normal can be modified by the user agent.






    share|improve this answer




























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      According to the Mozzila docs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/letter-spacing#Values




      The normal letter spacing for the current font. Unlike a value of 0, this keyword allows the user agent to alter the space between characters in order to justify text.




      Seems like 0 is more of a hard value to set it to the default. Normal can be modified by the user agent.






      share|improve this answer


























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        According to the Mozzila docs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/letter-spacing#Values




        The normal letter spacing for the current font. Unlike a value of 0, this keyword allows the user agent to alter the space between characters in order to justify text.




        Seems like 0 is more of a hard value to set it to the default. Normal can be modified by the user agent.






        share|improve this answer













        According to the Mozzila docs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/letter-spacing#Values




        The normal letter spacing for the current font. Unlike a value of 0, this keyword allows the user agent to alter the space between characters in order to justify text.




        Seems like 0 is more of a hard value to set it to the default. Normal can be modified by the user agent.







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