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ellipsis in German quotation marks

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What's the right way to typeset an ellipsis in German quotation marks?

documentclass{article}

usepackage[ngerman]{babel}

usepackage{mathtools}

mathtoolsset{mathic=true} %%% See https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/3496/

begin{document}

Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen "`dots"'. %or "`ldots"'

end{document}

produces, when compiled with pdflatex,

Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen „… “.

What's the canonical way to get rid of the space between … and “? Surely, we can write something like

kern.1emtextellipsiskern-.12em

, but the kerning amounts would be guessed and might not be portable when you change font families.

spacing german ellipsis

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  "`dotsunkern"' might be worth a try, but what exactly 'looks right' is a matter of taste.
  
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  @moewe Perfect!
  
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  How is the mathtools stuff relevant to this question? mathic only applies to (...)
  
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  @daleif Just in case dots would be invoking some maths internally.
  
  – user0
  15 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  dots and friends are defined via amsmath, which is loaded by mathtools.
  
  – daleif
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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What's the right way to typeset an ellipsis in German quotation marks?

documentclass{article}

usepackage[ngerman]{babel}

usepackage{mathtools}

mathtoolsset{mathic=true} %%% See https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/3496/

begin{document}

Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen "`dots"'. %or "`ldots"'

end{document}

produces, when compiled with pdflatex,

Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen „… “.

What's the canonical way to get rid of the space between … and “? Surely, we can write something like

kern.1emtextellipsiskern-.12em

, but the kerning amounts would be guessed and might not be portable when you change font families.

spacing german ellipsis

share|improve this question

edited 15 hours ago

user0

asked 15 hours ago

user0user0

594121

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  "`dotsunkern"' might be worth a try, but what exactly 'looks right' is a matter of taste.
  
  – moewe
  15 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @moewe Perfect!
  
  – user0
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  How is the mathtools stuff relevant to this question? mathic only applies to (...)
  
  – daleif
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @daleif Just in case dots would be invoking some maths internally.
  
  – user0
  15 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  dots and friends are defined via amsmath, which is loaded by mathtools.
  
  – daleif
  15 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

 | 
show 2 more comments

What's the right way to typeset an ellipsis in German quotation marks?

documentclass{article}

usepackage[ngerman]{babel}

usepackage{mathtools}

mathtoolsset{mathic=true} %%% See https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/3496/

begin{document}

Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen "`dots"'. %or "`ldots"'

end{document}

produces, when compiled with pdflatex,

Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen „… “.

What's the canonical way to get rid of the space between … and “? Surely, we can write something like

kern.1emtextellipsiskern-.12em

, but the kerning amounts would be guessed and might not be portable when you change font families.

spacing german ellipsis

share|improve this question

edited 15 hours ago

user0

asked 15 hours ago

user0user0

594121

documentclass{article}

usepackage[ngerman]{babel}

usepackage{mathtools}

mathtoolsset{mathic=true} %%% See https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/3496/

begin{document}

Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen "`dots"'. %or "`ldots"'

end{document}

kern.1emtextellipsiskern-.12em

share|improve this question

edited 15 hours ago

user0

asked 15 hours ago

user0user0

594121

share|improve this question

edited 15 hours ago

user0

asked 15 hours ago

user0user0

594121

asked 15 hours ago

user0user0

594121

asked 15 hours ago

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One way could be to cancel out the kerning after the ellipsis with unkern. I got the idea from browsing the csquotes documentation to see how csquotes handles its ellipsis.

Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen "`dotsunkern"'.

The spacing seems less excessive now, but one might still feel the need for a little manual extra correction. What exactly looks right is to a certain degree a matter of taste.

It might be worth a try to use centred dots or one centred placeholder symbol instead of dots on the baseline. That way the apparent asymmetry with the closing upper quotation mark could be alleviated. Alternatively you could just fill in a dummy term.

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  As for central dots, I think there is no text version, one has to type (cdots) instead of textellipsis. But I agree that the assymtery is alleviated then.
  
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One way could be to cancel out the kerning after the ellipsis with unkern. I got the idea from browsing the csquotes documentation to see how csquotes handles its ellipsis.

Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen "`dotsunkern"'.

The spacing seems less excessive now, but one might still feel the need for a little manual extra correction. What exactly looks right is to a certain degree a matter of taste.

It might be worth a try to use centred dots or one centred placeholder symbol instead of dots on the baseline. That way the apparent asymmetry with the closing upper quotation mark could be alleviated. Alternatively you could just fill in a dummy term.

share|improve this answer

edited 15 hours ago

answered 15 hours ago

moewemoewe

92.6k10115351

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  As for central dots, I think there is no text version, one has to type (cdots) instead of textellipsis. But I agree that the assymtery is alleviated then.
  
  – user0
  14 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

2

One way could be to cancel out the kerning after the ellipsis with unkern. I got the idea from browsing the csquotes documentation to see how csquotes handles its ellipsis.

Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen "`dotsunkern"'.

The spacing seems less excessive now, but one might still feel the need for a little manual extra correction. What exactly looks right is to a certain degree a matter of taste.

It might be worth a try to use centred dots or one centred placeholder symbol instead of dots on the baseline. That way the apparent asymmetry with the closing upper quotation mark could be alleviated. Alternatively you could just fill in a dummy term.

share|improve this answer

edited 15 hours ago

answered 15 hours ago

moewemoewe

92.6k10115351

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  As for central dots, I think there is no text version, one has to type (cdots) instead of textellipsis. But I agree that the assymtery is alleviated then.
  
  – user0
  14 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

One way could be to cancel out the kerning after the ellipsis with unkern. I got the idea from browsing the csquotes documentation to see how csquotes handles its ellipsis.

Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen "`dotsunkern"'.

The spacing seems less excessive now, but one might still feel the need for a little manual extra correction. What exactly looks right is to a certain degree a matter of taste.

It might be worth a try to use centred dots or one centred placeholder symbol instead of dots on the baseline. That way the apparent asymmetry with the closing upper quotation mark could be alleviated. Alternatively you could just fill in a dummy term.

share|improve this answer

edited 15 hours ago

answered 15 hours ago

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Terme schreiben wir in Anführungszeichen "`dotsunkern"'.

share|improve this answer

edited 15 hours ago

answered 15 hours ago

moewemoewe

92.6k10115351

answered 15 hours ago

moewemoewe

92.6k10115351

answered 15 hours ago

moewemoewe

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