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I'm planning a trip to the USA soon (from Germany). I'd like to know how much cash I can bring in without problems.
Just to clarify, I am not talking about the $10000-or-file-a-form limit. I'm talking about the point where the authorities will assume that with that much cash, I must be a drug dealer (I'm not), and will confiscate my money with little or no hope of my ever seeing it again.
I realize this is an open-ended question, and there is no precise threshhold -- that much depends on the authorities I come in contact with. But can someone give me some idea of where the effective boundary is?
usa customs-and-immigration international-travel money
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I'm planning a trip to the USA soon (from Germany). I'd like to know how much cash I can bring in without problems.
Just to clarify, I am not talking about the $10000-or-file-a-form limit. I'm talking about the point where the authorities will assume that with that much cash, I must be a drug dealer (I'm not), and will confiscate my money with little or no hope of my ever seeing it again.
I realize this is an open-ended question, and there is no precise threshhold -- that much depends on the authorities I come in contact with. But can someone give me some idea of where the effective boundary is?
usa customs-and-immigration international-travel money
edited 3 hours ago
David Richerby
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asked 3 hours ago
JenniferJennifer
29526
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Just don't bring large quantities of cash. Regardless of civil forfeiture, there's the risk of having it stolen. Use cards instead.
– David Richerby
3 hours ago
The tonight show by John Oliver had a main feature about civil forfeiture (which is on YouTube) in which a few cases were mentioned. I don't recall the exact numbers, but they appeared to be relatively low to me (in the order of 100s of dollars). There was some other question on this site that implied that you should never drive a car with California license plates in Texas if you are concerned about civil forfeiture - so refuse such rental cars.
– DCTLib
3 hours ago
1
Any amount can be seized if it is believed to be the proceeds of crime. You are not legally obliged to declare the cash you are carrying if it is under $10,000. If you look like you're involved in drug dealing, or otherwise cause CBP to believe you are a criminal and that the cash you carry is the proceeds of crime, then they may seize it. If you have a valid explanation for it (whatever that may be) and appropriate evidence to back that up, then they will probably not suspect you of anything. The amount of money rarely has anything to do with it, it's the explanation of why you have it.
– Richard
1 hour ago
What do you need cash for in the USA? (Answer: nothing) Why bother?
– only_pro
26 mins ago
2
@Harper you're making assumptions that aren't valid. Within the developed world there is a wide spread in the usage of cash vs credit. Germany is a relatively high cash using country (80% of point of sale transactions). While I'd assume someone able to travel across the Atlantic would have access to credit/debit cards, that doesn't mean they normally use them instead of cash for everyday transactions. statista.com/statistics/786680/…
– Dan Neely
2 mins ago
|
show 1 more comment
I'm planning a trip to the USA soon (from Germany). I'd like to know how much cash I can bring in without problems.
Just to clarify, I am not talking about the $10000-or-file-a-form limit. I'm talking about the point where the authorities will assume that with that much cash, I must be a drug dealer (I'm not), and will confiscate my money with little or no hope of my ever seeing it again.
I realize this is an open-ended question, and there is no precise threshhold -- that much depends on the authorities I come in contact with. But can someone give me some idea of where the effective boundary is?
usa customs-and-immigration international-travel money
edited 3 hours ago
David Richerby
14.9k94790
asked 3 hours ago
JenniferJennifer
29526
I'm planning a trip to the USA soon (from Germany). I'd like to know how much cash I can bring in without problems.
Just to clarify, I am not talking about the $10000-or-file-a-form limit. I'm talking about the point where the authorities will assume that with that much cash, I must be a drug dealer (I'm not), and will confiscate my money with little or no hope of my ever seeing it again.
I realize this is an open-ended question, and there is no precise threshhold -- that much depends on the authorities I come in contact with. But can someone give me some idea of where the effective boundary is?
usa customs-and-immigration international-travel money
usa customs-and-immigration international-travel money
edited 3 hours ago
David Richerby
14.9k94790
asked 3 hours ago
JenniferJennifer
29526
edited 3 hours ago
David Richerby
14.9k94790
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JenniferJennifer
29526
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David Richerby
14.9k94790
edited 3 hours ago
David Richerby
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David Richerby
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29526
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Just don't bring large quantities of cash. Regardless of civil forfeiture, there's the risk of having it stolen. Use cards instead.
– David Richerby
3 hours ago
The tonight show by John Oliver had a main feature about civil forfeiture (which is on YouTube) in which a few cases were mentioned. I don't recall the exact numbers, but they appeared to be relatively low to me (in the order of 100s of dollars). There was some other question on this site that implied that you should never drive a car with California license plates in Texas if you are concerned about civil forfeiture - so refuse such rental cars.
– DCTLib
3 hours ago
1
Any amount can be seized if it is believed to be the proceeds of crime. You are not legally obliged to declare the cash you are carrying if it is under $10,000. If you look like you're involved in drug dealing, or otherwise cause CBP to believe you are a criminal and that the cash you carry is the proceeds of crime, then they may seize it. If you have a valid explanation for it (whatever that may be) and appropriate evidence to back that up, then they will probably not suspect you of anything. The amount of money rarely has anything to do with it, it's the explanation of why you have it.
– Richard
1 hour ago
What do you need cash for in the USA? (Answer: nothing) Why bother?
– only_pro
26 mins ago
2
@Harper you're making assumptions that aren't valid. Within the developed world there is a wide spread in the usage of cash vs credit. Germany is a relatively high cash using country (80% of point of sale transactions). While I'd assume someone able to travel across the Atlantic would have access to credit/debit cards, that doesn't mean they normally use them instead of cash for everyday transactions. statista.com/statistics/786680/…
– Dan Neely
2 mins ago
|
show 1 more comment
2
Just don't bring large quantities of cash. Regardless of civil forfeiture, there's the risk of having it stolen. Use cards instead.
– David Richerby
3 hours ago
The tonight show by John Oliver had a main feature about civil forfeiture (which is on YouTube) in which a few cases were mentioned. I don't recall the exact numbers, but they appeared to be relatively low to me (in the order of 100s of dollars). There was some other question on this site that implied that you should never drive a car with California license plates in Texas if you are concerned about civil forfeiture - so refuse such rental cars.
– DCTLib
3 hours ago
1
Any amount can be seized if it is believed to be the proceeds of crime. You are not legally obliged to declare the cash you are carrying if it is under $10,000. If you look like you're involved in drug dealing, or otherwise cause CBP to believe you are a criminal and that the cash you carry is the proceeds of crime, then they may seize it. If you have a valid explanation for it (whatever that may be) and appropriate evidence to back that up, then they will probably not suspect you of anything. The amount of money rarely has anything to do with it, it's the explanation of why you have it.
– Richard
1 hour ago
What do you need cash for in the USA? (Answer: nothing) Why bother?
– only_pro
26 mins ago
2
@Harper you're making assumptions that aren't valid. Within the developed world there is a wide spread in the usage of cash vs credit. Germany is a relatively high cash using country (80% of point of sale transactions). While I'd assume someone able to travel across the Atlantic would have access to credit/debit cards, that doesn't mean they normally use them instead of cash for everyday transactions. statista.com/statistics/786680/…
– Dan Neely
2 mins ago
2
2
Just don't bring large quantities of cash. Regardless of civil forfeiture, there's the risk of having it stolen. Use cards instead.
– David Richerby
3 hours ago
Just don't bring large quantities of cash. Regardless of civil forfeiture, there's the risk of having it stolen. Use cards instead.
– David Richerby
3 hours ago
The tonight show by John Oliver had a main feature about civil forfeiture (which is on YouTube) in which a few cases were mentioned. I don't recall the exact numbers, but they appeared to be relatively low to me (in the order of 100s of dollars). There was some other question on this site that implied that you should never drive a car with California license plates in Texas if you are concerned about civil forfeiture - so refuse such rental cars.
– DCTLib
3 hours ago
The tonight show by John Oliver had a main feature about civil forfeiture (which is on YouTube) in which a few cases were mentioned. I don't recall the exact numbers, but they appeared to be relatively low to me (in the order of 100s of dollars). There was some other question on this site that implied that you should never drive a car with California license plates in Texas if you are concerned about civil forfeiture - so refuse such rental cars.
– DCTLib
3 hours ago
1
1
Any amount can be seized if it is believed to be the proceeds of crime. You are not legally obliged to declare the cash you are carrying if it is under $10,000. If you look like you're involved in drug dealing, or otherwise cause CBP to believe you are a criminal and that the cash you carry is the proceeds of crime, then they may seize it. If you have a valid explanation for it (whatever that may be) and appropriate evidence to back that up, then they will probably not suspect you of anything. The amount of money rarely has anything to do with it, it's the explanation of why you have it.
– Richard
1 hour ago
Any amount can be seized if it is believed to be the proceeds of crime. You are not legally obliged to declare the cash you are carrying if it is under $10,000. If you look like you're involved in drug dealing, or otherwise cause CBP to believe you are a criminal and that the cash you carry is the proceeds of crime, then they may seize it. If you have a valid explanation for it (whatever that may be) and appropriate evidence to back that up, then they will probably not suspect you of anything. The amount of money rarely has anything to do with it, it's the explanation of why you have it.
– Richard
1 hour ago
What do you need cash for in the USA? (Answer: nothing) Why bother?
– only_pro
26 mins ago
What do you need cash for in the USA? (Answer: nothing) Why bother?
– only_pro
26 mins ago
2
2
@Harper you're making assumptions that aren't valid. Within the developed world there is a wide spread in the usage of cash vs credit. Germany is a relatively high cash using country (80% of point of sale transactions). While I'd assume someone able to travel across the Atlantic would have access to credit/debit cards, that doesn't mean they normally use them instead of cash for everyday transactions. statista.com/statistics/786680/…
– Dan Neely
2 mins ago
@Harper you're making assumptions that aren't valid. Within the developed world there is a wide spread in the usage of cash vs credit. Germany is a relatively high cash using country (80% of point of sale transactions). While I'd assume someone able to travel across the Atlantic would have access to credit/debit cards, that doesn't mean they normally use them instead of cash for everyday transactions. statista.com/statistics/786680/…
– Dan Neely
2 mins ago
|
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I realize this is an open-ended question, and there is no precise threshhold -- that much depends on the authorities I come in contact with. But can someone give me some idea of where the effective boundary is?
Your question cannot be answered, as the way you've asked it implies. Because there is no precise threshold, and because it depends on specifically which authorities you encounter, there is no effective boundary.
All we can tell you is that if you carry enough cash to have to declare it, and you do declare it, you're guaranteed to encounter CBP. CBP does not share the policy that some municipal police forces have of abusing civil asset forfeiture to acquire resources for the department, so filing the form probably does not increase your risk very much.
If you fail to declare your cash despite exceeding the limit, then there is a chance you won't encounter any authorities over the cash, but if you do encounter CBP in a spot check, you're pretty much guaranteed to lose the cash.
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There is no such thing as a lower bound. Civil forfeiture laws and practices vary greatly from state to state. See, for example, https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit/grading-state-federal-civil-forfeiture-laws/
It is certainly a rather unfair and frustrating practice of law enforcement, but on the other hand, it's not common either and the chance of you are encountering such a situation as a tourist a quite small.
The best protection is to carry no or little cash. Credit and debit cards are widely accepted and if you really need cash for anything, you can get it easily at the nearest ATM. Cash is used less and less: For example the food truck outside of Boston South station where you buy your morning coffee doesn't accept cash at all: plastic only. I sometimes go months without using cash.
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I realize this is an open-ended question, and there is no precise threshhold -- that much depends on the authorities I come in contact with. But can someone give me some idea of where the effective boundary is?
Your question cannot be answered, as the way you've asked it implies. Because there is no precise threshold, and because it depends on specifically which authorities you encounter, there is no effective boundary.
All we can tell you is that if you carry enough cash to have to declare it, and you do declare it, you're guaranteed to encounter CBP. CBP does not share the policy that some municipal police forces have of abusing civil asset forfeiture to acquire resources for the department, so filing the form probably does not increase your risk very much.
If you fail to declare your cash despite exceeding the limit, then there is a chance you won't encounter any authorities over the cash, but if you do encounter CBP in a spot check, you're pretty much guaranteed to lose the cash.
answered 2 hours ago
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77.7k12170252
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I realize this is an open-ended question, and there is no precise threshhold -- that much depends on the authorities I come in contact with. But can someone give me some idea of where the effective boundary is?
Your question cannot be answered, as the way you've asked it implies. Because there is no precise threshold, and because it depends on specifically which authorities you encounter, there is no effective boundary.
All we can tell you is that if you carry enough cash to have to declare it, and you do declare it, you're guaranteed to encounter CBP. CBP does not share the policy that some municipal police forces have of abusing civil asset forfeiture to acquire resources for the department, so filing the form probably does not increase your risk very much.
If you fail to declare your cash despite exceeding the limit, then there is a chance you won't encounter any authorities over the cash, but if you do encounter CBP in a spot check, you're pretty much guaranteed to lose the cash.
answered 2 hours ago
phoogphoog
77.7k12170252
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I realize this is an open-ended question, and there is no precise threshhold -- that much depends on the authorities I come in contact with. But can someone give me some idea of where the effective boundary is?
Your question cannot be answered, as the way you've asked it implies. Because there is no precise threshold, and because it depends on specifically which authorities you encounter, there is no effective boundary.
All we can tell you is that if you carry enough cash to have to declare it, and you do declare it, you're guaranteed to encounter CBP. CBP does not share the policy that some municipal police forces have of abusing civil asset forfeiture to acquire resources for the department, so filing the form probably does not increase your risk very much.
If you fail to declare your cash despite exceeding the limit, then there is a chance you won't encounter any authorities over the cash, but if you do encounter CBP in a spot check, you're pretty much guaranteed to lose the cash.
answered 2 hours ago
phoogphoog
77.7k12170252
I realize this is an open-ended question, and there is no precise threshhold -- that much depends on the authorities I come in contact with. But can someone give me some idea of where the effective boundary is?
Your question cannot be answered, as the way you've asked it implies. Because there is no precise threshold, and because it depends on specifically which authorities you encounter, there is no effective boundary.
All we can tell you is that if you carry enough cash to have to declare it, and you do declare it, you're guaranteed to encounter CBP. CBP does not share the policy that some municipal police forces have of abusing civil asset forfeiture to acquire resources for the department, so filing the form probably does not increase your risk very much.
If you fail to declare your cash despite exceeding the limit, then there is a chance you won't encounter any authorities over the cash, but if you do encounter CBP in a spot check, you're pretty much guaranteed to lose the cash.
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There is no such thing as a lower bound. Civil forfeiture laws and practices vary greatly from state to state. See, for example, https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit/grading-state-federal-civil-forfeiture-laws/
It is certainly a rather unfair and frustrating practice of law enforcement, but on the other hand, it's not common either and the chance of you are encountering such a situation as a tourist a quite small.
The best protection is to carry no or little cash. Credit and debit cards are widely accepted and if you really need cash for anything, you can get it easily at the nearest ATM. Cash is used less and less: For example the food truck outside of Boston South station where you buy your morning coffee doesn't accept cash at all: plastic only. I sometimes go months without using cash.
answered 1 hour ago
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There is no such thing as a lower bound. Civil forfeiture laws and practices vary greatly from state to state. See, for example, https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit/grading-state-federal-civil-forfeiture-laws/
It is certainly a rather unfair and frustrating practice of law enforcement, but on the other hand, it's not common either and the chance of you are encountering such a situation as a tourist a quite small.
The best protection is to carry no or little cash. Credit and debit cards are widely accepted and if you really need cash for anything, you can get it easily at the nearest ATM. Cash is used less and less: For example the food truck outside of Boston South station where you buy your morning coffee doesn't accept cash at all: plastic only. I sometimes go months without using cash.
answered 1 hour ago
HilmarHilmar
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There is no such thing as a lower bound. Civil forfeiture laws and practices vary greatly from state to state. See, for example, https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit/grading-state-federal-civil-forfeiture-laws/
It is certainly a rather unfair and frustrating practice of law enforcement, but on the other hand, it's not common either and the chance of you are encountering such a situation as a tourist a quite small.
The best protection is to carry no or little cash. Credit and debit cards are widely accepted and if you really need cash for anything, you can get it easily at the nearest ATM. Cash is used less and less: For example the food truck outside of Boston South station where you buy your morning coffee doesn't accept cash at all: plastic only. I sometimes go months without using cash.
answered 1 hour ago
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There is no such thing as a lower bound. Civil forfeiture laws and practices vary greatly from state to state. See, for example, https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit/grading-state-federal-civil-forfeiture-laws/
It is certainly a rather unfair and frustrating practice of law enforcement, but on the other hand, it's not common either and the chance of you are encountering such a situation as a tourist a quite small.
The best protection is to carry no or little cash. Credit and debit cards are widely accepted and if you really need cash for anything, you can get it easily at the nearest ATM. Cash is used less and less: For example the food truck outside of Boston South station where you buy your morning coffee doesn't accept cash at all: plastic only. I sometimes go months without using cash.
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Just don't bring large quantities of cash. Regardless of civil forfeiture, there's the risk of having it stolen. Use cards instead.
– David Richerby
3 hours ago
The tonight show by John Oliver had a main feature about civil forfeiture (which is on YouTube) in which a few cases were mentioned. I don't recall the exact numbers, but they appeared to be relatively low to me (in the order of 100s of dollars). There was some other question on this site that implied that you should never drive a car with California license plates in Texas if you are concerned about civil forfeiture - so refuse such rental cars.
– DCTLib
3 hours ago
1
Any amount can be seized if it is believed to be the proceeds of crime. You are not legally obliged to declare the cash you are carrying if it is under $10,000. If you look like you're involved in drug dealing, or otherwise cause CBP to believe you are a criminal and that the cash you carry is the proceeds of crime, then they may seize it. If you have a valid explanation for it (whatever that may be) and appropriate evidence to back that up, then they will probably not suspect you of anything. The amount of money rarely has anything to do with it, it's the explanation of why you have it.
– Richard
1 hour ago
What do you need cash for in the USA? (Answer: nothing) Why bother?
– only_pro
26 mins ago
2
@Harper you're making assumptions that aren't valid. Within the developed world there is a wide spread in the usage of cash vs credit. Germany is a relatively high cash using country (80% of point of sale transactions). While I'd assume someone able to travel across the Atlantic would have access to credit/debit cards, that doesn't mean they normally use them instead of cash for everyday transactions. statista.com/statistics/786680/…
– Dan Neely
2 mins ago