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Do Captain America's actions at the end of Endgame contradict what we've heard before in the film? [duplicate]


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A key plot device of avengers: Endgame is




Time travel. A central point is that they have to be very careful with time travel, as explained by some team members when Rhodes asked why can't they simply go back in time and kill baby Thanos. Someone mentions that "all the rules apply, no interaction with our past selves, no trying to change the future, etc...". When Hulk meets The Ancient One, she explains that timelines and realities can be damaged, etc.



The only thing they can really pull off without messing up history is retrieving the Infinity Stones, using them in the present, and then returning them to the proper place in history to avoid any disruptions to the time line.




But then in the final scene, we discover that Captain America




went back in time and had the life that he always wanted to have with Agent Carter.




Doesn't this contradict the above mentioned dangers




of time travel? Wouldn't his getting together with Agent Carter at the very least completely alter the history of the S.S.R and S.H.I.E.L.D (if not the entire U.S military) and hence completely mess up the time line?











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    Apparently only diddling with the time stones has the effect of creating new timelines. The presence of a single human on one planet isn't sufficient

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  • You e also misunderstood time travel, changing the past will not change the future.

    – TheLethalCarrot
    14 hours ago






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    @Valorum There are obvious flaws in the One Timeline theory, e.g. Quill getting knocked out, the space stone removed from the tesseract, Nebula twist, ... I think the Ancient One was talking about one special case, not about timelines in general.

    – Chris
    13 hours ago






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    “Someone mentions that "all the rules apply, no interaction with our past selves, no trying to change the future, etc..."” — Scott suggests that, prompting Banner to explain that those rules are from movies and do not apply to the cold hard reality of time travel in the MCU.

    – Paul D. Waite
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  • @PaulD.Waite: Yes. The others basically missed the point. You can diddle with the past and it will affect the future of that new timeline. That's the only reason the stones should be returned -- so that the other timelines aren't a big steaming mess for the people who live there.

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  • Did Avengers: Endgame break its own rules?

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A key plot device of avengers: Endgame is




Time travel. A central point is that they have to be very careful with time travel, as explained by some team members when Rhodes asked why can't they simply go back in time and kill baby Thanos. Someone mentions that "all the rules apply, no interaction with our past selves, no trying to change the future, etc...". When Hulk meets The Ancient One, she explains that timelines and realities can be damaged, etc.



The only thing they can really pull off without messing up history is retrieving the Infinity Stones, using them in the present, and then returning them to the proper place in history to avoid any disruptions to the time line.




But then in the final scene, we discover that Captain America




went back in time and had the life that he always wanted to have with Agent Carter.




Doesn't this contradict the above mentioned dangers




of time travel? Wouldn't his getting together with Agent Carter at the very least completely alter the history of the S.S.R and S.H.I.E.L.D (if not the entire U.S military) and hence completely mess up the time line?











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    Apparently only diddling with the time stones has the effect of creating new timelines. The presence of a single human on one planet isn't sufficient

    – Valorum
    16 hours ago











  • You e also misunderstood time travel, changing the past will not change the future.

    – TheLethalCarrot
    14 hours ago






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    @Valorum There are obvious flaws in the One Timeline theory, e.g. Quill getting knocked out, the space stone removed from the tesseract, Nebula twist, ... I think the Ancient One was talking about one special case, not about timelines in general.

    – Chris
    13 hours ago






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    “Someone mentions that "all the rules apply, no interaction with our past selves, no trying to change the future, etc..."” — Scott suggests that, prompting Banner to explain that those rules are from movies and do not apply to the cold hard reality of time travel in the MCU.

    – Paul D. Waite
    6 hours ago











  • @PaulD.Waite: Yes. The others basically missed the point. You can diddle with the past and it will affect the future of that new timeline. That's the only reason the stones should be returned -- so that the other timelines aren't a big steaming mess for the people who live there.

    – ThePopMachine
    5 hours ago














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This question already has an answer here:




  • Did Avengers: Endgame break its own rules?

    9 answers




A key plot device of avengers: Endgame is




Time travel. A central point is that they have to be very careful with time travel, as explained by some team members when Rhodes asked why can't they simply go back in time and kill baby Thanos. Someone mentions that "all the rules apply, no interaction with our past selves, no trying to change the future, etc...". When Hulk meets The Ancient One, she explains that timelines and realities can be damaged, etc.



The only thing they can really pull off without messing up history is retrieving the Infinity Stones, using them in the present, and then returning them to the proper place in history to avoid any disruptions to the time line.




But then in the final scene, we discover that Captain America




went back in time and had the life that he always wanted to have with Agent Carter.




Doesn't this contradict the above mentioned dangers




of time travel? Wouldn't his getting together with Agent Carter at the very least completely alter the history of the S.S.R and S.H.I.E.L.D (if not the entire U.S military) and hence completely mess up the time line?











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  • Did Avengers: Endgame break its own rules?

    9 answers




A key plot device of avengers: Endgame is




Time travel. A central point is that they have to be very careful with time travel, as explained by some team members when Rhodes asked why can't they simply go back in time and kill baby Thanos. Someone mentions that "all the rules apply, no interaction with our past selves, no trying to change the future, etc...". When Hulk meets The Ancient One, she explains that timelines and realities can be damaged, etc.



The only thing they can really pull off without messing up history is retrieving the Infinity Stones, using them in the present, and then returning them to the proper place in history to avoid any disruptions to the time line.




But then in the final scene, we discover that Captain America




went back in time and had the life that he always wanted to have with Agent Carter.




Doesn't this contradict the above mentioned dangers




of time travel? Wouldn't his getting together with Agent Carter at the very least completely alter the history of the S.S.R and S.H.I.E.L.D (if not the entire U.S military) and hence completely mess up the time line?






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  • 3





    Apparently only diddling with the time stones has the effect of creating new timelines. The presence of a single human on one planet isn't sufficient

    – Valorum
    16 hours ago











  • You e also misunderstood time travel, changing the past will not change the future.

    – TheLethalCarrot
    14 hours ago






  • 4





    @Valorum There are obvious flaws in the One Timeline theory, e.g. Quill getting knocked out, the space stone removed from the tesseract, Nebula twist, ... I think the Ancient One was talking about one special case, not about timelines in general.

    – Chris
    13 hours ago






  • 2





    “Someone mentions that "all the rules apply, no interaction with our past selves, no trying to change the future, etc..."” — Scott suggests that, prompting Banner to explain that those rules are from movies and do not apply to the cold hard reality of time travel in the MCU.

    – Paul D. Waite
    6 hours ago











  • @PaulD.Waite: Yes. The others basically missed the point. You can diddle with the past and it will affect the future of that new timeline. That's the only reason the stones should be returned -- so that the other timelines aren't a big steaming mess for the people who live there.

    – ThePopMachine
    5 hours ago














  • 3





    Apparently only diddling with the time stones has the effect of creating new timelines. The presence of a single human on one planet isn't sufficient

    – Valorum
    16 hours ago











  • You e also misunderstood time travel, changing the past will not change the future.

    – TheLethalCarrot
    14 hours ago






  • 4





    @Valorum There are obvious flaws in the One Timeline theory, e.g. Quill getting knocked out, the space stone removed from the tesseract, Nebula twist, ... I think the Ancient One was talking about one special case, not about timelines in general.

    – Chris
    13 hours ago






  • 2





    “Someone mentions that "all the rules apply, no interaction with our past selves, no trying to change the future, etc..."” — Scott suggests that, prompting Banner to explain that those rules are from movies and do not apply to the cold hard reality of time travel in the MCU.

    – Paul D. Waite
    6 hours ago











  • @PaulD.Waite: Yes. The others basically missed the point. You can diddle with the past and it will affect the future of that new timeline. That's the only reason the stones should be returned -- so that the other timelines aren't a big steaming mess for the people who live there.

    – ThePopMachine
    5 hours ago








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Apparently only diddling with the time stones has the effect of creating new timelines. The presence of a single human on one planet isn't sufficient

– Valorum
16 hours ago





Apparently only diddling with the time stones has the effect of creating new timelines. The presence of a single human on one planet isn't sufficient

– Valorum
16 hours ago













You e also misunderstood time travel, changing the past will not change the future.

– TheLethalCarrot
14 hours ago





You e also misunderstood time travel, changing the past will not change the future.

– TheLethalCarrot
14 hours ago




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@Valorum There are obvious flaws in the One Timeline theory, e.g. Quill getting knocked out, the space stone removed from the tesseract, Nebula twist, ... I think the Ancient One was talking about one special case, not about timelines in general.

– Chris
13 hours ago





@Valorum There are obvious flaws in the One Timeline theory, e.g. Quill getting knocked out, the space stone removed from the tesseract, Nebula twist, ... I think the Ancient One was talking about one special case, not about timelines in general.

– Chris
13 hours ago




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“Someone mentions that "all the rules apply, no interaction with our past selves, no trying to change the future, etc..."” — Scott suggests that, prompting Banner to explain that those rules are from movies and do not apply to the cold hard reality of time travel in the MCU.

– Paul D. Waite
6 hours ago





“Someone mentions that "all the rules apply, no interaction with our past selves, no trying to change the future, etc..."” — Scott suggests that, prompting Banner to explain that those rules are from movies and do not apply to the cold hard reality of time travel in the MCU.

– Paul D. Waite
6 hours ago













@PaulD.Waite: Yes. The others basically missed the point. You can diddle with the past and it will affect the future of that new timeline. That's the only reason the stones should be returned -- so that the other timelines aren't a big steaming mess for the people who live there.

– ThePopMachine
5 hours ago





@PaulD.Waite: Yes. The others basically missed the point. You can diddle with the past and it will affect the future of that new timeline. That's the only reason the stones should be returned -- so that the other timelines aren't a big steaming mess for the people who live there.

– ThePopMachine
5 hours ago










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Not necessarily. Two things to bear in mind:



First, it was revealed that Peggy Carter had been married sometime after World War 2, but her husband was, notably, not named nor was he seen at her funeral, not was it ever mentioned if he was still living or not.



Second, there's really been nothing shown about SHIELD and Carter from the 1950s to the 1990s, aside from brief flashbacks and references.



So, you're looking at a closed loop.




Rogers returns the Infinity Stones but he doesn't go back to right after his disappearance in 1945; he goes back sometime later, after the years shown in the Agent Carter series, because he knows what she was up to during those years and that his being missing is part of the reason she did the things she did, and what she did was important for events later. Then he shows up, say, in 1950 or so. Maybe he tells her the truth, maybe he just tells her he miraculously survived and just made his way back to civilization from the crash, but he wants to get away from the life and retire.




So he assumes a false ID and marries her.




He knows about HYDRA infiltrating SHIELD, but doesn't say anything because he knows events have to play out, and he carefully plays the role of husband not involved with the secret agent life.




Peggy starts developing Alzheimer's and is well into the dementia stage when




his past self, still frozen in ice, is found. At that point, he has to be careful not cross paths with his younger self, so he avoids visiting her when he knows his younger self will be there, sits quietly in the back at her funeral, and then waits to reveal himself to Bucky and Sam after his younger self has made the jump back in time.







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    That summarises it well!

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    Totaly agree with you, that's whe he was not in the middle of the Time Machine, it's because he was always there.

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    I'm under the impression that it was impossible to visit the past of the current timeline. That the machine is not just a time travel machine, but a timeline machine as well. This suggests it can go back in time and a new timeline is only created if you alter the past in a way that doesn't prevent the new capt from also doing the same action to close the loop.

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    I'd add to to that that the Ancient one explains that the Stones themselves create timestreams, a single human might not even have the power to change the stream of time. So because timetravel-Cap coudn't have yelled anything during the funeral because that is not what happened. And yes, the concept of free will is a bit iffy on this point.

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    Except that the entire point was that travelling to the past is still your future and that your past timeline can't be changed. That's why it was pointless to murder Thanos as a baby. So whoever Peggy originally married wasn't Captain America. And in a new timeline he married her and she didn't marry whoever she was "supposed" to marry. Of course the more reasonable answer is that it's simply another plothole.

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I do not think Captain America lives out his life in our reality. Similar to how the stones were taken in a different reality he just went there and messed further with their timeline.



Here are the reasons I think this must be true.




  1. Anything else would go against all the rules of time-travel established in the movie

  2. Captain America knows Becky is alive and SHIELD is interrelated by Hydra. I am sure that in his new reality he fixes both of these things, but not in ours.


Afterwards he comes back to us by some means. Maybe he gets more Pim [particles from his version of Dr Pim at some point. Maybe the Sorcerer Supreme helps him. He meets her to give back the Time Stone.



The only question is why does he not come back to the platform? That must be just for dramatic effect. He had a lifetime to plan this moment.



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Before anyone says that Cap would not mess with the timeline, if he did go back to our time, he clearly has shown that he does not care about it. If he risked changing something just for himself, he defiantly would have changed things to stop his best friend from being tortured.






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    Confusing situation




    This situation is confusing because Endgame uses a version of time
    travel that's not often seen in science fiction, especially movies or
    television. Endgames time travel is based on the multi universe
    theory and isn't really time travel, it's more like jumping to a
    universe that's running a bit behind your own




    How it works




    This version of time travel is the one used in the book Timeline
    written by the late Michael Crichton. I highly recommend it, and it
    does a very good job of explaining how multi universe "time travel"
    works. It's also a movie Timeline Movie, but if I remember
    correctly they screw up how Crichton's time travel works.




    What that means in endgame




    So a short explanation of the time travel in Endgame. When the team
    goes back to 2012 they didn't travel back in time in their own
    universe, they traveled to a different universe that happens to be
    identical to the one they started from, except it's 7 years earlier
    there. This is how removing the stones from that time can't effect
    the present in the original universe. Interestingly this means that
    the stones taken from Asgard and the ones that Rhodes, Nebula, Barton,
    and Natasha take are from different universes as well. So one
    universe only loses a max of 2 stones (note that Tony and Cap get the
    Tesseract from a different universe).




    Answering your Question




    Now that's out of the way, what's going on with old Captain America. This is >!where it gets a bit tricky. As Keith Morrison mentioned in his answer Peggy >!Carters husband is never named in previous films. Which means that the old >!Captain America seen in Endgame was probably her husband all along in the >!movie universe and avoided notice as Keith describes. However this is not a >!closed loop. Old Captain America is from a different universe. One that was >!exactly identical to the movie universe but ~70 years ahead of the one in the >!movie. In fact if the characters were to check his "quantum signature" or >!some such thing they'd probably be able to identify he wasn't from the movie >!universe.


    The Cap who went back in time will never return to the movie universe. He'll >!live out his life in the universe he jumped to for Peggy.




    His gift




    Regarding the shield that old Captain America has with him. Perhaps in the >!universe he came from it either wasn't destroyed or was rebuilt before he went >!back, so he took it with him when he returned the stones. Of course he >!wouldn't know that it was destroyed and not present in the movie universe.




    What banner mentions




    To tie this back to what Banner said earlier in the movie about killing baby >!Thanos. He was right and wrong. They could kill baby Thanos and stop the >!snap, it just wouldn't be in their universe. In fact they could spend years >!committing baby Thanos genocide in many other universes and saving them from >!the snap, but never their own. Of course that might have other undesirable >!outcomes for those universes, for instance if Thanos never existed, would the >!Guardians of the Galaxy have formed? And if they didn't could Quill of >!stopped his father Ego? All life becoming Ego is arguably worse than the >!snap.




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      After some thought about this, my personal theory is that




      The elderly Captain America is from a different (though similar) timeline




      We know that




      the timeline Captain America went back to already has changes made to it that simply returning the infinity stones won't change (Loki's escape being the most obvious, but also things like Peter Quill being knocked out, Thor's hammer being pulled away from him while on Asgard, or HYDRA agents hearing Cap say "Hail Hydra"). But these changes are all relatively minor - they won't cause the millions of deaths that the Ancient One warned would result from actually removing an infinity stone from the timeline.




      So,




      that timeline will be slightly altered, but its events will largely be the same. Thanos or someone similar will still gather the stones, and in 2019 heros will likely travel back in time themselves to set things right. This will change events in other ways, creating yet another timeline slightly altered from their own. In essence, we see a cycle of slightly-different timelines being forked off over and over.




      But




      how do we know our timeline is the first one in the cycle? More likely, heroes from years the future came back to this one, stealing the infinity stones and returning them, and in doing so changed things in subtle ways from their "original" timeline. Maybe in their timeline Yondu's still alive, or Vision is monochrome, or heck, maybe the earth was saved at some point by a talking duck from outer space.




      The main point here is




      the elderly Steve we see at the end is from that timeline, and has come back to our, forked timeline to live out his life, just like our Steve went back to the newly-forked timeline where Loki escaped. This is consistent with the MCU's rules of time travel - you still can't change your present, only create alternate timelines. But since people in the alternate timelines can themselves go back in time, there's no reason not to think that we were in an "alternate timeline" to begin with.




      To quote another franchise,




      All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.







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        Not necessarily. Two things to bear in mind:



        First, it was revealed that Peggy Carter had been married sometime after World War 2, but her husband was, notably, not named nor was he seen at her funeral, not was it ever mentioned if he was still living or not.



        Second, there's really been nothing shown about SHIELD and Carter from the 1950s to the 1990s, aside from brief flashbacks and references.



        So, you're looking at a closed loop.




        Rogers returns the Infinity Stones but he doesn't go back to right after his disappearance in 1945; he goes back sometime later, after the years shown in the Agent Carter series, because he knows what she was up to during those years and that his being missing is part of the reason she did the things she did, and what she did was important for events later. Then he shows up, say, in 1950 or so. Maybe he tells her the truth, maybe he just tells her he miraculously survived and just made his way back to civilization from the crash, but he wants to get away from the life and retire.




        So he assumes a false ID and marries her.




        He knows about HYDRA infiltrating SHIELD, but doesn't say anything because he knows events have to play out, and he carefully plays the role of husband not involved with the secret agent life.




        Peggy starts developing Alzheimer's and is well into the dementia stage when




        his past self, still frozen in ice, is found. At that point, he has to be careful not cross paths with his younger self, so he avoids visiting her when he knows his younger self will be there, sits quietly in the back at her funeral, and then waits to reveal himself to Bucky and Sam after his younger self has made the jump back in time.







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          That summarises it well!

          – Stark07
          15 hours ago






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          Totaly agree with you, that's whe he was not in the middle of the Time Machine, it's because he was always there.

          – Dhon Joe
          14 hours ago






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          I'm under the impression that it was impossible to visit the past of the current timeline. That the machine is not just a time travel machine, but a timeline machine as well. This suggests it can go back in time and a new timeline is only created if you alter the past in a way that doesn't prevent the new capt from also doing the same action to close the loop.

          – Goose
          9 hours ago






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          I'd add to to that that the Ancient one explains that the Stones themselves create timestreams, a single human might not even have the power to change the stream of time. So because timetravel-Cap coudn't have yelled anything during the funeral because that is not what happened. And yes, the concept of free will is a bit iffy on this point.

          – Borgh
          9 hours ago






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          Except that the entire point was that travelling to the past is still your future and that your past timeline can't be changed. That's why it was pointless to murder Thanos as a baby. So whoever Peggy originally married wasn't Captain America. And in a new timeline he married her and she didn't marry whoever she was "supposed" to marry. Of course the more reasonable answer is that it's simply another plothole.

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        Not necessarily. Two things to bear in mind:



        First, it was revealed that Peggy Carter had been married sometime after World War 2, but her husband was, notably, not named nor was he seen at her funeral, not was it ever mentioned if he was still living or not.



        Second, there's really been nothing shown about SHIELD and Carter from the 1950s to the 1990s, aside from brief flashbacks and references.



        So, you're looking at a closed loop.




        Rogers returns the Infinity Stones but he doesn't go back to right after his disappearance in 1945; he goes back sometime later, after the years shown in the Agent Carter series, because he knows what she was up to during those years and that his being missing is part of the reason she did the things she did, and what she did was important for events later. Then he shows up, say, in 1950 or so. Maybe he tells her the truth, maybe he just tells her he miraculously survived and just made his way back to civilization from the crash, but he wants to get away from the life and retire.




        So he assumes a false ID and marries her.




        He knows about HYDRA infiltrating SHIELD, but doesn't say anything because he knows events have to play out, and he carefully plays the role of husband not involved with the secret agent life.




        Peggy starts developing Alzheimer's and is well into the dementia stage when




        his past self, still frozen in ice, is found. At that point, he has to be careful not cross paths with his younger self, so he avoids visiting her when he knows his younger self will be there, sits quietly in the back at her funeral, and then waits to reveal himself to Bucky and Sam after his younger self has made the jump back in time.







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          That summarises it well!

          – Stark07
          15 hours ago






        • 5





          Totaly agree with you, that's whe he was not in the middle of the Time Machine, it's because he was always there.

          – Dhon Joe
          14 hours ago






        • 3





          I'm under the impression that it was impossible to visit the past of the current timeline. That the machine is not just a time travel machine, but a timeline machine as well. This suggests it can go back in time and a new timeline is only created if you alter the past in a way that doesn't prevent the new capt from also doing the same action to close the loop.

          – Goose
          9 hours ago






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          I'd add to to that that the Ancient one explains that the Stones themselves create timestreams, a single human might not even have the power to change the stream of time. So because timetravel-Cap coudn't have yelled anything during the funeral because that is not what happened. And yes, the concept of free will is a bit iffy on this point.

          – Borgh
          9 hours ago






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          Except that the entire point was that travelling to the past is still your future and that your past timeline can't be changed. That's why it was pointless to murder Thanos as a baby. So whoever Peggy originally married wasn't Captain America. And in a new timeline he married her and she didn't marry whoever she was "supposed" to marry. Of course the more reasonable answer is that it's simply another plothole.

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        Not necessarily. Two things to bear in mind:



        First, it was revealed that Peggy Carter had been married sometime after World War 2, but her husband was, notably, not named nor was he seen at her funeral, not was it ever mentioned if he was still living or not.



        Second, there's really been nothing shown about SHIELD and Carter from the 1950s to the 1990s, aside from brief flashbacks and references.



        So, you're looking at a closed loop.




        Rogers returns the Infinity Stones but he doesn't go back to right after his disappearance in 1945; he goes back sometime later, after the years shown in the Agent Carter series, because he knows what she was up to during those years and that his being missing is part of the reason she did the things she did, and what she did was important for events later. Then he shows up, say, in 1950 or so. Maybe he tells her the truth, maybe he just tells her he miraculously survived and just made his way back to civilization from the crash, but he wants to get away from the life and retire.




        So he assumes a false ID and marries her.




        He knows about HYDRA infiltrating SHIELD, but doesn't say anything because he knows events have to play out, and he carefully plays the role of husband not involved with the secret agent life.




        Peggy starts developing Alzheimer's and is well into the dementia stage when




        his past self, still frozen in ice, is found. At that point, he has to be careful not cross paths with his younger self, so he avoids visiting her when he knows his younger self will be there, sits quietly in the back at her funeral, and then waits to reveal himself to Bucky and Sam after his younger self has made the jump back in time.







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        Not necessarily. Two things to bear in mind:



        First, it was revealed that Peggy Carter had been married sometime after World War 2, but her husband was, notably, not named nor was he seen at her funeral, not was it ever mentioned if he was still living or not.



        Second, there's really been nothing shown about SHIELD and Carter from the 1950s to the 1990s, aside from brief flashbacks and references.



        So, you're looking at a closed loop.




        Rogers returns the Infinity Stones but he doesn't go back to right after his disappearance in 1945; he goes back sometime later, after the years shown in the Agent Carter series, because he knows what she was up to during those years and that his being missing is part of the reason she did the things she did, and what she did was important for events later. Then he shows up, say, in 1950 or so. Maybe he tells her the truth, maybe he just tells her he miraculously survived and just made his way back to civilization from the crash, but he wants to get away from the life and retire.




        So he assumes a false ID and marries her.




        He knows about HYDRA infiltrating SHIELD, but doesn't say anything because he knows events have to play out, and he carefully plays the role of husband not involved with the secret agent life.




        Peggy starts developing Alzheimer's and is well into the dementia stage when




        his past self, still frozen in ice, is found. At that point, he has to be careful not cross paths with his younger self, so he avoids visiting her when he knows his younger self will be there, sits quietly in the back at her funeral, and then waits to reveal himself to Bucky and Sam after his younger self has made the jump back in time.








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          That summarises it well!

          – Stark07
          15 hours ago






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          Totaly agree with you, that's whe he was not in the middle of the Time Machine, it's because he was always there.

          – Dhon Joe
          14 hours ago






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          I'm under the impression that it was impossible to visit the past of the current timeline. That the machine is not just a time travel machine, but a timeline machine as well. This suggests it can go back in time and a new timeline is only created if you alter the past in a way that doesn't prevent the new capt from also doing the same action to close the loop.

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          9 hours ago






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          I'd add to to that that the Ancient one explains that the Stones themselves create timestreams, a single human might not even have the power to change the stream of time. So because timetravel-Cap coudn't have yelled anything during the funeral because that is not what happened. And yes, the concept of free will is a bit iffy on this point.

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          9 hours ago






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          Except that the entire point was that travelling to the past is still your future and that your past timeline can't be changed. That's why it was pointless to murder Thanos as a baby. So whoever Peggy originally married wasn't Captain America. And in a new timeline he married her and she didn't marry whoever she was "supposed" to marry. Of course the more reasonable answer is that it's simply another plothole.

          – David Mulder
          9 hours ago














        • 2





          That summarises it well!

          – Stark07
          15 hours ago






        • 5





          Totaly agree with you, that's whe he was not in the middle of the Time Machine, it's because he was always there.

          – Dhon Joe
          14 hours ago






        • 3





          I'm under the impression that it was impossible to visit the past of the current timeline. That the machine is not just a time travel machine, but a timeline machine as well. This suggests it can go back in time and a new timeline is only created if you alter the past in a way that doesn't prevent the new capt from also doing the same action to close the loop.

          – Goose
          9 hours ago






        • 3





          I'd add to to that that the Ancient one explains that the Stones themselves create timestreams, a single human might not even have the power to change the stream of time. So because timetravel-Cap coudn't have yelled anything during the funeral because that is not what happened. And yes, the concept of free will is a bit iffy on this point.

          – Borgh
          9 hours ago






        • 6





          Except that the entire point was that travelling to the past is still your future and that your past timeline can't be changed. That's why it was pointless to murder Thanos as a baby. So whoever Peggy originally married wasn't Captain America. And in a new timeline he married her and she didn't marry whoever she was "supposed" to marry. Of course the more reasonable answer is that it's simply another plothole.

          – David Mulder
          9 hours ago








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        That summarises it well!

        – Stark07
        15 hours ago





        That summarises it well!

        – Stark07
        15 hours ago




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        5





        Totaly agree with you, that's whe he was not in the middle of the Time Machine, it's because he was always there.

        – Dhon Joe
        14 hours ago





        Totaly agree with you, that's whe he was not in the middle of the Time Machine, it's because he was always there.

        – Dhon Joe
        14 hours ago




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        3





        I'm under the impression that it was impossible to visit the past of the current timeline. That the machine is not just a time travel machine, but a timeline machine as well. This suggests it can go back in time and a new timeline is only created if you alter the past in a way that doesn't prevent the new capt from also doing the same action to close the loop.

        – Goose
        9 hours ago





        I'm under the impression that it was impossible to visit the past of the current timeline. That the machine is not just a time travel machine, but a timeline machine as well. This suggests it can go back in time and a new timeline is only created if you alter the past in a way that doesn't prevent the new capt from also doing the same action to close the loop.

        – Goose
        9 hours ago




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        3





        I'd add to to that that the Ancient one explains that the Stones themselves create timestreams, a single human might not even have the power to change the stream of time. So because timetravel-Cap coudn't have yelled anything during the funeral because that is not what happened. And yes, the concept of free will is a bit iffy on this point.

        – Borgh
        9 hours ago





        I'd add to to that that the Ancient one explains that the Stones themselves create timestreams, a single human might not even have the power to change the stream of time. So because timetravel-Cap coudn't have yelled anything during the funeral because that is not what happened. And yes, the concept of free will is a bit iffy on this point.

        – Borgh
        9 hours ago




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        6





        Except that the entire point was that travelling to the past is still your future and that your past timeline can't be changed. That's why it was pointless to murder Thanos as a baby. So whoever Peggy originally married wasn't Captain America. And in a new timeline he married her and she didn't marry whoever she was "supposed" to marry. Of course the more reasonable answer is that it's simply another plothole.

        – David Mulder
        9 hours ago





        Except that the entire point was that travelling to the past is still your future and that your past timeline can't be changed. That's why it was pointless to murder Thanos as a baby. So whoever Peggy originally married wasn't Captain America. And in a new timeline he married her and she didn't marry whoever she was "supposed" to marry. Of course the more reasonable answer is that it's simply another plothole.

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        I do not think Captain America lives out his life in our reality. Similar to how the stones were taken in a different reality he just went there and messed further with their timeline.



        Here are the reasons I think this must be true.




        1. Anything else would go against all the rules of time-travel established in the movie

        2. Captain America knows Becky is alive and SHIELD is interrelated by Hydra. I am sure that in his new reality he fixes both of these things, but not in ours.


        Afterwards he comes back to us by some means. Maybe he gets more Pim [particles from his version of Dr Pim at some point. Maybe the Sorcerer Supreme helps him. He meets her to give back the Time Stone.



        The only question is why does he not come back to the platform? That must be just for dramatic effect. He had a lifetime to plan this moment.



        EDIT:



        Before anyone says that Cap would not mess with the timeline, if he did go back to our time, he clearly has shown that he does not care about it. If he risked changing something just for himself, he defiantly would have changed things to stop his best friend from being tortured.






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          I do not think Captain America lives out his life in our reality. Similar to how the stones were taken in a different reality he just went there and messed further with their timeline.



          Here are the reasons I think this must be true.




          1. Anything else would go against all the rules of time-travel established in the movie

          2. Captain America knows Becky is alive and SHIELD is interrelated by Hydra. I am sure that in his new reality he fixes both of these things, but not in ours.


          Afterwards he comes back to us by some means. Maybe he gets more Pim [particles from his version of Dr Pim at some point. Maybe the Sorcerer Supreme helps him. He meets her to give back the Time Stone.



          The only question is why does he not come back to the platform? That must be just for dramatic effect. He had a lifetime to plan this moment.



          EDIT:



          Before anyone says that Cap would not mess with the timeline, if he did go back to our time, he clearly has shown that he does not care about it. If he risked changing something just for himself, he defiantly would have changed things to stop his best friend from being tortured.






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            I do not think Captain America lives out his life in our reality. Similar to how the stones were taken in a different reality he just went there and messed further with their timeline.



            Here are the reasons I think this must be true.




            1. Anything else would go against all the rules of time-travel established in the movie

            2. Captain America knows Becky is alive and SHIELD is interrelated by Hydra. I am sure that in his new reality he fixes both of these things, but not in ours.


            Afterwards he comes back to us by some means. Maybe he gets more Pim [particles from his version of Dr Pim at some point. Maybe the Sorcerer Supreme helps him. He meets her to give back the Time Stone.



            The only question is why does he not come back to the platform? That must be just for dramatic effect. He had a lifetime to plan this moment.



            EDIT:



            Before anyone says that Cap would not mess with the timeline, if he did go back to our time, he clearly has shown that he does not care about it. If he risked changing something just for himself, he defiantly would have changed things to stop his best friend from being tortured.






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            I do not think Captain America lives out his life in our reality. Similar to how the stones were taken in a different reality he just went there and messed further with their timeline.



            Here are the reasons I think this must be true.




            1. Anything else would go against all the rules of time-travel established in the movie

            2. Captain America knows Becky is alive and SHIELD is interrelated by Hydra. I am sure that in his new reality he fixes both of these things, but not in ours.


            Afterwards he comes back to us by some means. Maybe he gets more Pim [particles from his version of Dr Pim at some point. Maybe the Sorcerer Supreme helps him. He meets her to give back the Time Stone.



            The only question is why does he not come back to the platform? That must be just for dramatic effect. He had a lifetime to plan this moment.



            EDIT:



            Before anyone says that Cap would not mess with the timeline, if he did go back to our time, he clearly has shown that he does not care about it. If he risked changing something just for himself, he defiantly would have changed things to stop his best friend from being tortured.







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                Confusing situation




                This situation is confusing because Endgame uses a version of time
                travel that's not often seen in science fiction, especially movies or
                television. Endgames time travel is based on the multi universe
                theory and isn't really time travel, it's more like jumping to a
                universe that's running a bit behind your own




                How it works




                This version of time travel is the one used in the book Timeline
                written by the late Michael Crichton. I highly recommend it, and it
                does a very good job of explaining how multi universe "time travel"
                works. It's also a movie Timeline Movie, but if I remember
                correctly they screw up how Crichton's time travel works.




                What that means in endgame




                So a short explanation of the time travel in Endgame. When the team
                goes back to 2012 they didn't travel back in time in their own
                universe, they traveled to a different universe that happens to be
                identical to the one they started from, except it's 7 years earlier
                there. This is how removing the stones from that time can't effect
                the present in the original universe. Interestingly this means that
                the stones taken from Asgard and the ones that Rhodes, Nebula, Barton,
                and Natasha take are from different universes as well. So one
                universe only loses a max of 2 stones (note that Tony and Cap get the
                Tesseract from a different universe).




                Answering your Question




                Now that's out of the way, what's going on with old Captain America. This is >!where it gets a bit tricky. As Keith Morrison mentioned in his answer Peggy >!Carters husband is never named in previous films. Which means that the old >!Captain America seen in Endgame was probably her husband all along in the >!movie universe and avoided notice as Keith describes. However this is not a >!closed loop. Old Captain America is from a different universe. One that was >!exactly identical to the movie universe but ~70 years ahead of the one in the >!movie. In fact if the characters were to check his "quantum signature" or >!some such thing they'd probably be able to identify he wasn't from the movie >!universe.


                The Cap who went back in time will never return to the movie universe. He'll >!live out his life in the universe he jumped to for Peggy.




                His gift




                Regarding the shield that old Captain America has with him. Perhaps in the >!universe he came from it either wasn't destroyed or was rebuilt before he went >!back, so he took it with him when he returned the stones. Of course he >!wouldn't know that it was destroyed and not present in the movie universe.




                What banner mentions




                To tie this back to what Banner said earlier in the movie about killing baby >!Thanos. He was right and wrong. They could kill baby Thanos and stop the >!snap, it just wouldn't be in their universe. In fact they could spend years >!committing baby Thanos genocide in many other universes and saving them from >!the snap, but never their own. Of course that might have other undesirable >!outcomes for those universes, for instance if Thanos never existed, would the >!Guardians of the Galaxy have formed? And if they didn't could Quill of >!stopped his father Ego? All life becoming Ego is arguably worse than the >!snap.




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                  Confusing situation




                  This situation is confusing because Endgame uses a version of time
                  travel that's not often seen in science fiction, especially movies or
                  television. Endgames time travel is based on the multi universe
                  theory and isn't really time travel, it's more like jumping to a
                  universe that's running a bit behind your own




                  How it works




                  This version of time travel is the one used in the book Timeline
                  written by the late Michael Crichton. I highly recommend it, and it
                  does a very good job of explaining how multi universe "time travel"
                  works. It's also a movie Timeline Movie, but if I remember
                  correctly they screw up how Crichton's time travel works.




                  What that means in endgame




                  So a short explanation of the time travel in Endgame. When the team
                  goes back to 2012 they didn't travel back in time in their own
                  universe, they traveled to a different universe that happens to be
                  identical to the one they started from, except it's 7 years earlier
                  there. This is how removing the stones from that time can't effect
                  the present in the original universe. Interestingly this means that
                  the stones taken from Asgard and the ones that Rhodes, Nebula, Barton,
                  and Natasha take are from different universes as well. So one
                  universe only loses a max of 2 stones (note that Tony and Cap get the
                  Tesseract from a different universe).




                  Answering your Question




                  Now that's out of the way, what's going on with old Captain America. This is >!where it gets a bit tricky. As Keith Morrison mentioned in his answer Peggy >!Carters husband is never named in previous films. Which means that the old >!Captain America seen in Endgame was probably her husband all along in the >!movie universe and avoided notice as Keith describes. However this is not a >!closed loop. Old Captain America is from a different universe. One that was >!exactly identical to the movie universe but ~70 years ahead of the one in the >!movie. In fact if the characters were to check his "quantum signature" or >!some such thing they'd probably be able to identify he wasn't from the movie >!universe.


                  The Cap who went back in time will never return to the movie universe. He'll >!live out his life in the universe he jumped to for Peggy.




                  His gift




                  Regarding the shield that old Captain America has with him. Perhaps in the >!universe he came from it either wasn't destroyed or was rebuilt before he went >!back, so he took it with him when he returned the stones. Of course he >!wouldn't know that it was destroyed and not present in the movie universe.




                  What banner mentions




                  To tie this back to what Banner said earlier in the movie about killing baby >!Thanos. He was right and wrong. They could kill baby Thanos and stop the >!snap, it just wouldn't be in their universe. In fact they could spend years >!committing baby Thanos genocide in many other universes and saving them from >!the snap, but never their own. Of course that might have other undesirable >!outcomes for those universes, for instance if Thanos never existed, would the >!Guardians of the Galaxy have formed? And if they didn't could Quill of >!stopped his father Ego? All life becoming Ego is arguably worse than the >!snap.




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                    Confusing situation




                    This situation is confusing because Endgame uses a version of time
                    travel that's not often seen in science fiction, especially movies or
                    television. Endgames time travel is based on the multi universe
                    theory and isn't really time travel, it's more like jumping to a
                    universe that's running a bit behind your own




                    How it works




                    This version of time travel is the one used in the book Timeline
                    written by the late Michael Crichton. I highly recommend it, and it
                    does a very good job of explaining how multi universe "time travel"
                    works. It's also a movie Timeline Movie, but if I remember
                    correctly they screw up how Crichton's time travel works.




                    What that means in endgame




                    So a short explanation of the time travel in Endgame. When the team
                    goes back to 2012 they didn't travel back in time in their own
                    universe, they traveled to a different universe that happens to be
                    identical to the one they started from, except it's 7 years earlier
                    there. This is how removing the stones from that time can't effect
                    the present in the original universe. Interestingly this means that
                    the stones taken from Asgard and the ones that Rhodes, Nebula, Barton,
                    and Natasha take are from different universes as well. So one
                    universe only loses a max of 2 stones (note that Tony and Cap get the
                    Tesseract from a different universe).




                    Answering your Question




                    Now that's out of the way, what's going on with old Captain America. This is >!where it gets a bit tricky. As Keith Morrison mentioned in his answer Peggy >!Carters husband is never named in previous films. Which means that the old >!Captain America seen in Endgame was probably her husband all along in the >!movie universe and avoided notice as Keith describes. However this is not a >!closed loop. Old Captain America is from a different universe. One that was >!exactly identical to the movie universe but ~70 years ahead of the one in the >!movie. In fact if the characters were to check his "quantum signature" or >!some such thing they'd probably be able to identify he wasn't from the movie >!universe.


                    The Cap who went back in time will never return to the movie universe. He'll >!live out his life in the universe he jumped to for Peggy.




                    His gift




                    Regarding the shield that old Captain America has with him. Perhaps in the >!universe he came from it either wasn't destroyed or was rebuilt before he went >!back, so he took it with him when he returned the stones. Of course he >!wouldn't know that it was destroyed and not present in the movie universe.




                    What banner mentions




                    To tie this back to what Banner said earlier in the movie about killing baby >!Thanos. He was right and wrong. They could kill baby Thanos and stop the >!snap, it just wouldn't be in their universe. In fact they could spend years >!committing baby Thanos genocide in many other universes and saving them from >!the snap, but never their own. Of course that might have other undesirable >!outcomes for those universes, for instance if Thanos never existed, would the >!Guardians of the Galaxy have formed? And if they didn't could Quill of >!stopped his father Ego? All life becoming Ego is arguably worse than the >!snap.




                    end spoilers






                    share|improve this answer















                    Confusing situation




                    This situation is confusing because Endgame uses a version of time
                    travel that's not often seen in science fiction, especially movies or
                    television. Endgames time travel is based on the multi universe
                    theory and isn't really time travel, it's more like jumping to a
                    universe that's running a bit behind your own




                    How it works




                    This version of time travel is the one used in the book Timeline
                    written by the late Michael Crichton. I highly recommend it, and it
                    does a very good job of explaining how multi universe "time travel"
                    works. It's also a movie Timeline Movie, but if I remember
                    correctly they screw up how Crichton's time travel works.




                    What that means in endgame




                    So a short explanation of the time travel in Endgame. When the team
                    goes back to 2012 they didn't travel back in time in their own
                    universe, they traveled to a different universe that happens to be
                    identical to the one they started from, except it's 7 years earlier
                    there. This is how removing the stones from that time can't effect
                    the present in the original universe. Interestingly this means that
                    the stones taken from Asgard and the ones that Rhodes, Nebula, Barton,
                    and Natasha take are from different universes as well. So one
                    universe only loses a max of 2 stones (note that Tony and Cap get the
                    Tesseract from a different universe).




                    Answering your Question




                    Now that's out of the way, what's going on with old Captain America. This is >!where it gets a bit tricky. As Keith Morrison mentioned in his answer Peggy >!Carters husband is never named in previous films. Which means that the old >!Captain America seen in Endgame was probably her husband all along in the >!movie universe and avoided notice as Keith describes. However this is not a >!closed loop. Old Captain America is from a different universe. One that was >!exactly identical to the movie universe but ~70 years ahead of the one in the >!movie. In fact if the characters were to check his "quantum signature" or >!some such thing they'd probably be able to identify he wasn't from the movie >!universe.


                    The Cap who went back in time will never return to the movie universe. He'll >!live out his life in the universe he jumped to for Peggy.




                    His gift




                    Regarding the shield that old Captain America has with him. Perhaps in the >!universe he came from it either wasn't destroyed or was rebuilt before he went >!back, so he took it with him when he returned the stones. Of course he >!wouldn't know that it was destroyed and not present in the movie universe.




                    What banner mentions




                    To tie this back to what Banner said earlier in the movie about killing baby >!Thanos. He was right and wrong. They could kill baby Thanos and stop the >!snap, it just wouldn't be in their universe. In fact they could spend years >!committing baby Thanos genocide in many other universes and saving them from >!the snap, but never their own. Of course that might have other undesirable >!outcomes for those universes, for instance if Thanos never existed, would the >!Guardians of the Galaxy have formed? And if they didn't could Quill of >!stopped his father Ego? All life becoming Ego is arguably worse than the >!snap.




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                        After some thought about this, my personal theory is that




                        The elderly Captain America is from a different (though similar) timeline




                        We know that




                        the timeline Captain America went back to already has changes made to it that simply returning the infinity stones won't change (Loki's escape being the most obvious, but also things like Peter Quill being knocked out, Thor's hammer being pulled away from him while on Asgard, or HYDRA agents hearing Cap say "Hail Hydra"). But these changes are all relatively minor - they won't cause the millions of deaths that the Ancient One warned would result from actually removing an infinity stone from the timeline.




                        So,




                        that timeline will be slightly altered, but its events will largely be the same. Thanos or someone similar will still gather the stones, and in 2019 heros will likely travel back in time themselves to set things right. This will change events in other ways, creating yet another timeline slightly altered from their own. In essence, we see a cycle of slightly-different timelines being forked off over and over.




                        But




                        how do we know our timeline is the first one in the cycle? More likely, heroes from years the future came back to this one, stealing the infinity stones and returning them, and in doing so changed things in subtle ways from their "original" timeline. Maybe in their timeline Yondu's still alive, or Vision is monochrome, or heck, maybe the earth was saved at some point by a talking duck from outer space.




                        The main point here is




                        the elderly Steve we see at the end is from that timeline, and has come back to our, forked timeline to live out his life, just like our Steve went back to the newly-forked timeline where Loki escaped. This is consistent with the MCU's rules of time travel - you still can't change your present, only create alternate timelines. But since people in the alternate timelines can themselves go back in time, there's no reason not to think that we were in an "alternate timeline" to begin with.




                        To quote another franchise,




                        All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.







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                          After some thought about this, my personal theory is that




                          The elderly Captain America is from a different (though similar) timeline




                          We know that




                          the timeline Captain America went back to already has changes made to it that simply returning the infinity stones won't change (Loki's escape being the most obvious, but also things like Peter Quill being knocked out, Thor's hammer being pulled away from him while on Asgard, or HYDRA agents hearing Cap say "Hail Hydra"). But these changes are all relatively minor - they won't cause the millions of deaths that the Ancient One warned would result from actually removing an infinity stone from the timeline.




                          So,




                          that timeline will be slightly altered, but its events will largely be the same. Thanos or someone similar will still gather the stones, and in 2019 heros will likely travel back in time themselves to set things right. This will change events in other ways, creating yet another timeline slightly altered from their own. In essence, we see a cycle of slightly-different timelines being forked off over and over.




                          But




                          how do we know our timeline is the first one in the cycle? More likely, heroes from years the future came back to this one, stealing the infinity stones and returning them, and in doing so changed things in subtle ways from their "original" timeline. Maybe in their timeline Yondu's still alive, or Vision is monochrome, or heck, maybe the earth was saved at some point by a talking duck from outer space.




                          The main point here is




                          the elderly Steve we see at the end is from that timeline, and has come back to our, forked timeline to live out his life, just like our Steve went back to the newly-forked timeline where Loki escaped. This is consistent with the MCU's rules of time travel - you still can't change your present, only create alternate timelines. But since people in the alternate timelines can themselves go back in time, there's no reason not to think that we were in an "alternate timeline" to begin with.




                          To quote another franchise,




                          All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.







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                            After some thought about this, my personal theory is that




                            The elderly Captain America is from a different (though similar) timeline




                            We know that




                            the timeline Captain America went back to already has changes made to it that simply returning the infinity stones won't change (Loki's escape being the most obvious, but also things like Peter Quill being knocked out, Thor's hammer being pulled away from him while on Asgard, or HYDRA agents hearing Cap say "Hail Hydra"). But these changes are all relatively minor - they won't cause the millions of deaths that the Ancient One warned would result from actually removing an infinity stone from the timeline.




                            So,




                            that timeline will be slightly altered, but its events will largely be the same. Thanos or someone similar will still gather the stones, and in 2019 heros will likely travel back in time themselves to set things right. This will change events in other ways, creating yet another timeline slightly altered from their own. In essence, we see a cycle of slightly-different timelines being forked off over and over.




                            But




                            how do we know our timeline is the first one in the cycle? More likely, heroes from years the future came back to this one, stealing the infinity stones and returning them, and in doing so changed things in subtle ways from their "original" timeline. Maybe in their timeline Yondu's still alive, or Vision is monochrome, or heck, maybe the earth was saved at some point by a talking duck from outer space.




                            The main point here is




                            the elderly Steve we see at the end is from that timeline, and has come back to our, forked timeline to live out his life, just like our Steve went back to the newly-forked timeline where Loki escaped. This is consistent with the MCU's rules of time travel - you still can't change your present, only create alternate timelines. But since people in the alternate timelines can themselves go back in time, there's no reason not to think that we were in an "alternate timeline" to begin with.




                            To quote another franchise,




                            All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.







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                            After some thought about this, my personal theory is that




                            The elderly Captain America is from a different (though similar) timeline




                            We know that




                            the timeline Captain America went back to already has changes made to it that simply returning the infinity stones won't change (Loki's escape being the most obvious, but also things like Peter Quill being knocked out, Thor's hammer being pulled away from him while on Asgard, or HYDRA agents hearing Cap say "Hail Hydra"). But these changes are all relatively minor - they won't cause the millions of deaths that the Ancient One warned would result from actually removing an infinity stone from the timeline.




                            So,




                            that timeline will be slightly altered, but its events will largely be the same. Thanos or someone similar will still gather the stones, and in 2019 heros will likely travel back in time themselves to set things right. This will change events in other ways, creating yet another timeline slightly altered from their own. In essence, we see a cycle of slightly-different timelines being forked off over and over.




                            But




                            how do we know our timeline is the first one in the cycle? More likely, heroes from years the future came back to this one, stealing the infinity stones and returning them, and in doing so changed things in subtle ways from their "original" timeline. Maybe in their timeline Yondu's still alive, or Vision is monochrome, or heck, maybe the earth was saved at some point by a talking duck from outer space.




                            The main point here is




                            the elderly Steve we see at the end is from that timeline, and has come back to our, forked timeline to live out his life, just like our Steve went back to the newly-forked timeline where Loki escaped. This is consistent with the MCU's rules of time travel - you still can't change your present, only create alternate timelines. But since people in the alternate timelines can themselves go back in time, there's no reason not to think that we were in an "alternate timeline" to begin with.




                            To quote another franchise,




                            All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.








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