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What was the state of the German rail system in 1944?
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Could an SS officer get from Auschwitz to Berlin by train in July/August/September 1944? I need to know how Allied bombing might have disrupted the system.
For context: I am writing a mystery which includes a memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz. I want to be as accurate as possible... presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
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Could an SS officer get from Auschwitz to Berlin by train in July/August/September 1944? I need to know how Allied bombing might have disrupted the system.
For context: I am writing a mystery which includes a memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz. I want to be as accurate as possible... presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
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Yes. Allied bombing disrupted the system, the Germans repaired it, the Allies bombed some more. This was an ongoing process which cost Germany both rolling stock and track materials at a rate that could not be replaced, but it didn't shut the rail system down completely. By the way, a question like this with no more context than "I need to know" looks suspiciously like some holocaust deniers who try to place their talking points on StackExchange. I hope that this is not the case here, but you might explain a bit more.
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I am NOT a holocaust denier! Au contraire. I am writing a mystery which includes a memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz. I want to be as accurate as possible... presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
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Didn't we have a previous question about allied bombing of German train lines?
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Could an SS officer get from Auschwitz to Berlin by train in July/August/September 1944? I need to know how Allied bombing might have disrupted the system.
For context: I am writing a mystery which includes a memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz. I want to be as accurate as possible... presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
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Could an SS officer get from Auschwitz to Berlin by train in July/August/September 1944? I need to know how Allied bombing might have disrupted the system.
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Yes. Allied bombing disrupted the system, the Germans repaired it, the Allies bombed some more. This was an ongoing process which cost Germany both rolling stock and track materials at a rate that could not be replaced, but it didn't shut the rail system down completely. By the way, a question like this with no more context than "I need to know" looks suspiciously like some holocaust deniers who try to place their talking points on StackExchange. I hope that this is not the case here, but you might explain a bit more.
– o.m.
4 hours ago
2
I am NOT a holocaust denier! Au contraire. I am writing a mystery which includes a memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz. I want to be as accurate as possible... presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
– Olivia
4 hours ago
1
You should edit extra information into your question and not add it as an answer.
– Steve Bird
4 hours ago
1
Didn't we have a previous question about allied bombing of German train lines?
– T.E.D.♦
4 hours ago
2
Sorry about the suspicion. Sadly we get a shocking amount of fake "questions" here from Nazis looking to promote their beliefs, so we're a bit gun-shy on these topics.
– T.E.D.♦
3 hours ago
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Yes. Allied bombing disrupted the system, the Germans repaired it, the Allies bombed some more. This was an ongoing process which cost Germany both rolling stock and track materials at a rate that could not be replaced, but it didn't shut the rail system down completely. By the way, a question like this with no more context than "I need to know" looks suspiciously like some holocaust deniers who try to place their talking points on StackExchange. I hope that this is not the case here, but you might explain a bit more.
– o.m.
4 hours ago
2
I am NOT a holocaust denier! Au contraire. I am writing a mystery which includes a memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz. I want to be as accurate as possible... presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
– Olivia
4 hours ago
1
You should edit extra information into your question and not add it as an answer.
– Steve Bird
4 hours ago
1
Didn't we have a previous question about allied bombing of German train lines?
– T.E.D.♦
4 hours ago
2
Sorry about the suspicion. Sadly we get a shocking amount of fake "questions" here from Nazis looking to promote their beliefs, so we're a bit gun-shy on these topics.
– T.E.D.♦
3 hours ago
Yes. Allied bombing disrupted the system, the Germans repaired it, the Allies bombed some more. This was an ongoing process which cost Germany both rolling stock and track materials at a rate that could not be replaced, but it didn't shut the rail system down completely. By the way, a question like this with no more context than "I need to know" looks suspiciously like some holocaust deniers who try to place their talking points on StackExchange. I hope that this is not the case here, but you might explain a bit more.
– o.m.
4 hours ago
Yes. Allied bombing disrupted the system, the Germans repaired it, the Allies bombed some more. This was an ongoing process which cost Germany both rolling stock and track materials at a rate that could not be replaced, but it didn't shut the rail system down completely. By the way, a question like this with no more context than "I need to know" looks suspiciously like some holocaust deniers who try to place their talking points on StackExchange. I hope that this is not the case here, but you might explain a bit more.
– o.m.
4 hours ago
2
2
I am NOT a holocaust denier! Au contraire. I am writing a mystery which includes a memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz. I want to be as accurate as possible... presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
– Olivia
4 hours ago
I am NOT a holocaust denier! Au contraire. I am writing a mystery which includes a memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz. I want to be as accurate as possible... presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
– Olivia
4 hours ago
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You should edit extra information into your question and not add it as an answer.
– Steve Bird
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You should edit extra information into your question and not add it as an answer.
– Steve Bird
4 hours ago
1
1
Didn't we have a previous question about allied bombing of German train lines?
– T.E.D.♦
4 hours ago
Didn't we have a previous question about allied bombing of German train lines?
– T.E.D.♦
4 hours ago
2
2
Sorry about the suspicion. Sadly we get a shocking amount of fake "questions" here from Nazis looking to promote their beliefs, so we're a bit gun-shy on these topics.
– T.E.D.♦
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Could an SS officer get from Auschwitz to Berlin by train in July/August/September 1944?
Yes. Per the many comments to your question they'd repair the rails as they'd get destroyed. Trains might get delayed, but they would arrive. And per John Dallman's answer the rail system only broke down in early 1945 when allies began to attack it systematically.
presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
(This being for a fictional journal, I presume you're not very interested in potential outliers.)
To the best of my knowledge, no trains to concentration camps were cancelled owing to track damage. Delayed, I would assume with some regularity; but not cancelled. The reason I write not cancelled is that the nazis would prioritize troop convoys over holocaust trains. They had zero consideration for whoever was in the holocaust trains. Trains arrived 4 days after leaving on average. The longest transport of the war probably illustrates this best. It departed from Corfu in Greece. When the train arrived 18 days later, everyone was dead when they opened the doors.
As to the journey the other way around, bombings or not it only takes a single track to get the traffic going. And as I've just noted above, the holocaust convoy, rather than the SS or whatever else, would have been the one waiting if two trains were traveling in opposite directions.
If you're writing a fictional memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz, you might want to invest 10 hours and watch the soul-wrenching "Shoah" documentary if you want to try to convey the horrors of the time in your fictional journal. You will weep if there is any humanity in you. But do watch it regardless, because there simply is no way you'll be able to credibly capture the acute horror of the death camps without watching those first hand witness accounts or reading a few books to the same effect (if the latter, make sure you read Maus, the Pulitzer prize winning comic book).
The OP should also check out the classic The World At War series from the 1970s. Some information is wrong or missing, most notably about Bletchley Park and Enigma, and they didn't have the benefits of modern film restoration. But generally it's the definitive documentary series for WWII, with a large number of interviews from people who were actually there.
– Graham
48 mins ago
Corfu is an island with no rail network, so the train you describe can't literally have come from there.
– David Richerby
20 mins ago
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In August/September 1944, the German rail system was working reasonably well. It was heavily loaded, and sometimes damaged by bombing. However, the Western allies weren't doing much bombing east of Berlin, so there would not have been much interference with routes to Auschwitz. Starting in October, the Western allies began attacking the rail system systematically, which caused it to break down entirely in early 1945.
Source: The Collapse of the German War Economy, 1944-1945: Allied Air Power and the German National Railway, Alfred C. Mierzejewski, 2007.
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Could an SS officer get from Auschwitz to Berlin by train in July/August/September 1944?
Yes. Per the many comments to your question they'd repair the rails as they'd get destroyed. Trains might get delayed, but they would arrive. And per John Dallman's answer the rail system only broke down in early 1945 when allies began to attack it systematically.
presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
(This being for a fictional journal, I presume you're not very interested in potential outliers.)
To the best of my knowledge, no trains to concentration camps were cancelled owing to track damage. Delayed, I would assume with some regularity; but not cancelled. The reason I write not cancelled is that the nazis would prioritize troop convoys over holocaust trains. They had zero consideration for whoever was in the holocaust trains. Trains arrived 4 days after leaving on average. The longest transport of the war probably illustrates this best. It departed from Corfu in Greece. When the train arrived 18 days later, everyone was dead when they opened the doors.
As to the journey the other way around, bombings or not it only takes a single track to get the traffic going. And as I've just noted above, the holocaust convoy, rather than the SS or whatever else, would have been the one waiting if two trains were traveling in opposite directions.
If you're writing a fictional memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz, you might want to invest 10 hours and watch the soul-wrenching "Shoah" documentary if you want to try to convey the horrors of the time in your fictional journal. You will weep if there is any humanity in you. But do watch it regardless, because there simply is no way you'll be able to credibly capture the acute horror of the death camps without watching those first hand witness accounts or reading a few books to the same effect (if the latter, make sure you read Maus, the Pulitzer prize winning comic book).
The OP should also check out the classic The World At War series from the 1970s. Some information is wrong or missing, most notably about Bletchley Park and Enigma, and they didn't have the benefits of modern film restoration. But generally it's the definitive documentary series for WWII, with a large number of interviews from people who were actually there.
– Graham
48 mins ago
Corfu is an island with no rail network, so the train you describe can't literally have come from there.
– David Richerby
20 mins ago
add a comment |
Could an SS officer get from Auschwitz to Berlin by train in July/August/September 1944?
Yes. Per the many comments to your question they'd repair the rails as they'd get destroyed. Trains might get delayed, but they would arrive. And per John Dallman's answer the rail system only broke down in early 1945 when allies began to attack it systematically.
presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
(This being for a fictional journal, I presume you're not very interested in potential outliers.)
To the best of my knowledge, no trains to concentration camps were cancelled owing to track damage. Delayed, I would assume with some regularity; but not cancelled. The reason I write not cancelled is that the nazis would prioritize troop convoys over holocaust trains. They had zero consideration for whoever was in the holocaust trains. Trains arrived 4 days after leaving on average. The longest transport of the war probably illustrates this best. It departed from Corfu in Greece. When the train arrived 18 days later, everyone was dead when they opened the doors.
As to the journey the other way around, bombings or not it only takes a single track to get the traffic going. And as I've just noted above, the holocaust convoy, rather than the SS or whatever else, would have been the one waiting if two trains were traveling in opposite directions.
If you're writing a fictional memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz, you might want to invest 10 hours and watch the soul-wrenching "Shoah" documentary if you want to try to convey the horrors of the time in your fictional journal. You will weep if there is any humanity in you. But do watch it regardless, because there simply is no way you'll be able to credibly capture the acute horror of the death camps without watching those first hand witness accounts or reading a few books to the same effect (if the latter, make sure you read Maus, the Pulitzer prize winning comic book).
The OP should also check out the classic The World At War series from the 1970s. Some information is wrong or missing, most notably about Bletchley Park and Enigma, and they didn't have the benefits of modern film restoration. But generally it's the definitive documentary series for WWII, with a large number of interviews from people who were actually there.
– Graham
48 mins ago
Corfu is an island with no rail network, so the train you describe can't literally have come from there.
– David Richerby
20 mins ago
add a comment |
Could an SS officer get from Auschwitz to Berlin by train in July/August/September 1944?
Yes. Per the many comments to your question they'd repair the rails as they'd get destroyed. Trains might get delayed, but they would arrive. And per John Dallman's answer the rail system only broke down in early 1945 when allies began to attack it systematically.
presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
(This being for a fictional journal, I presume you're not very interested in potential outliers.)
To the best of my knowledge, no trains to concentration camps were cancelled owing to track damage. Delayed, I would assume with some regularity; but not cancelled. The reason I write not cancelled is that the nazis would prioritize troop convoys over holocaust trains. They had zero consideration for whoever was in the holocaust trains. Trains arrived 4 days after leaving on average. The longest transport of the war probably illustrates this best. It departed from Corfu in Greece. When the train arrived 18 days later, everyone was dead when they opened the doors.
As to the journey the other way around, bombings or not it only takes a single track to get the traffic going. And as I've just noted above, the holocaust convoy, rather than the SS or whatever else, would have been the one waiting if two trains were traveling in opposite directions.
If you're writing a fictional memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz, you might want to invest 10 hours and watch the soul-wrenching "Shoah" documentary if you want to try to convey the horrors of the time in your fictional journal. You will weep if there is any humanity in you. But do watch it regardless, because there simply is no way you'll be able to credibly capture the acute horror of the death camps without watching those first hand witness accounts or reading a few books to the same effect (if the latter, make sure you read Maus, the Pulitzer prize winning comic book).
Could an SS officer get from Auschwitz to Berlin by train in July/August/September 1944?
Yes. Per the many comments to your question they'd repair the rails as they'd get destroyed. Trains might get delayed, but they would arrive. And per John Dallman's answer the rail system only broke down in early 1945 when allies began to attack it systematically.
presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
(This being for a fictional journal, I presume you're not very interested in potential outliers.)
To the best of my knowledge, no trains to concentration camps were cancelled owing to track damage. Delayed, I would assume with some regularity; but not cancelled. The reason I write not cancelled is that the nazis would prioritize troop convoys over holocaust trains. They had zero consideration for whoever was in the holocaust trains. Trains arrived 4 days after leaving on average. The longest transport of the war probably illustrates this best. It departed from Corfu in Greece. When the train arrived 18 days later, everyone was dead when they opened the doors.
As to the journey the other way around, bombings or not it only takes a single track to get the traffic going. And as I've just noted above, the holocaust convoy, rather than the SS or whatever else, would have been the one waiting if two trains were traveling in opposite directions.
If you're writing a fictional memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz, you might want to invest 10 hours and watch the soul-wrenching "Shoah" documentary if you want to try to convey the horrors of the time in your fictional journal. You will weep if there is any humanity in you. But do watch it regardless, because there simply is no way you'll be able to credibly capture the acute horror of the death camps without watching those first hand witness accounts or reading a few books to the same effect (if the latter, make sure you read Maus, the Pulitzer prize winning comic book).
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The OP should also check out the classic The World At War series from the 1970s. Some information is wrong or missing, most notably about Bletchley Park and Enigma, and they didn't have the benefits of modern film restoration. But generally it's the definitive documentary series for WWII, with a large number of interviews from people who were actually there.
– Graham
48 mins ago
Corfu is an island with no rail network, so the train you describe can't literally have come from there.
– David Richerby
20 mins ago
add a comment |
The OP should also check out the classic The World At War series from the 1970s. Some information is wrong or missing, most notably about Bletchley Park and Enigma, and they didn't have the benefits of modern film restoration. But generally it's the definitive documentary series for WWII, with a large number of interviews from people who were actually there.
– Graham
48 mins ago
Corfu is an island with no rail network, so the train you describe can't literally have come from there.
– David Richerby
20 mins ago
The OP should also check out the classic The World At War series from the 1970s. Some information is wrong or missing, most notably about Bletchley Park and Enigma, and they didn't have the benefits of modern film restoration. But generally it's the definitive documentary series for WWII, with a large number of interviews from people who were actually there.
– Graham
48 mins ago
The OP should also check out the classic The World At War series from the 1970s. Some information is wrong or missing, most notably about Bletchley Park and Enigma, and they didn't have the benefits of modern film restoration. But generally it's the definitive documentary series for WWII, with a large number of interviews from people who were actually there.
– Graham
48 mins ago
Corfu is an island with no rail network, so the train you describe can't literally have come from there.
– David Richerby
20 mins ago
Corfu is an island with no rail network, so the train you describe can't literally have come from there.
– David Richerby
20 mins ago
add a comment |
In August/September 1944, the German rail system was working reasonably well. It was heavily loaded, and sometimes damaged by bombing. However, the Western allies weren't doing much bombing east of Berlin, so there would not have been much interference with routes to Auschwitz. Starting in October, the Western allies began attacking the rail system systematically, which caused it to break down entirely in early 1945.
Source: The Collapse of the German War Economy, 1944-1945: Allied Air Power and the German National Railway, Alfred C. Mierzejewski, 2007.
add a comment |
In August/September 1944, the German rail system was working reasonably well. It was heavily loaded, and sometimes damaged by bombing. However, the Western allies weren't doing much bombing east of Berlin, so there would not have been much interference with routes to Auschwitz. Starting in October, the Western allies began attacking the rail system systematically, which caused it to break down entirely in early 1945.
Source: The Collapse of the German War Economy, 1944-1945: Allied Air Power and the German National Railway, Alfred C. Mierzejewski, 2007.
add a comment |
In August/September 1944, the German rail system was working reasonably well. It was heavily loaded, and sometimes damaged by bombing. However, the Western allies weren't doing much bombing east of Berlin, so there would not have been much interference with routes to Auschwitz. Starting in October, the Western allies began attacking the rail system systematically, which caused it to break down entirely in early 1945.
Source: The Collapse of the German War Economy, 1944-1945: Allied Air Power and the German National Railway, Alfred C. Mierzejewski, 2007.
In August/September 1944, the German rail system was working reasonably well. It was heavily loaded, and sometimes damaged by bombing. However, the Western allies weren't doing much bombing east of Berlin, so there would not have been much interference with routes to Auschwitz. Starting in October, the Western allies began attacking the rail system systematically, which caused it to break down entirely in early 1945.
Source: The Collapse of the German War Economy, 1944-1945: Allied Air Power and the German National Railway, Alfred C. Mierzejewski, 2007.
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Yes. Allied bombing disrupted the system, the Germans repaired it, the Allies bombed some more. This was an ongoing process which cost Germany both rolling stock and track materials at a rate that could not be replaced, but it didn't shut the rail system down completely. By the way, a question like this with no more context than "I need to know" looks suspiciously like some holocaust deniers who try to place their talking points on StackExchange. I hope that this is not the case here, but you might explain a bit more.
– o.m.
4 hours ago
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I am NOT a holocaust denier! Au contraire. I am writing a mystery which includes a memoir of a survivor of Auschwitz. I want to be as accurate as possible... presumably the disruptions didn't keep them from shipping people TO Auschwitz. Would an officer leaving Auschwitz use a different rail line?
– Olivia
4 hours ago
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You should edit extra information into your question and not add it as an answer.
– Steve Bird
4 hours ago
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Didn't we have a previous question about allied bombing of German train lines?
– T.E.D.♦
4 hours ago
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Sorry about the suspicion. Sadly we get a shocking amount of fake "questions" here from Nazis looking to promote their beliefs, so we're a bit gun-shy on these topics.
– T.E.D.♦
3 hours ago